Is Luis Ortiz Overrated Poll?!?!?!?

[techliam]

He got popped for an actual steroid

I have no time for him, Povetkin or Arreola for failing tests

[BoxingFan85]

Ortiz is no hype job, but he is no boogieman either.. He might pose problems to likes of Wlad & Fury.. Might even win over Wilder/Joshua..
The best part is the hype about Ortiz is from the hardcore & HW circle than the promoters or networks..
He KO'd Jennings, beat a washed up & dried Thompson, the only 2 good names on his resume & honestly that's better than Wilder & Joshua.. But honestly we cannot read much into the Thompson fight as he came for a payday..
I like for him to mix with the top 10 to see where he stands & for us to see what he can bring.. He has good work rate & good footwork, but lacks ring iq and is not good with his defense..

[BoxingFan85]

For instance you have fans (understandably) condemning Povetkin and Fury for PED use yet still backing Joshua and Wilder, two men who are obviously chemically enhanced but are 'clean' only in the sense that they've never failed a test. That's fair enough from a sporting rules POV. But it also supposes you consider the drug testing orgs to be infallible and/or uncorruptible, which of course they aren't.

I had a same opinion on other threads.. Wilder a natural 215-220 pound guy put on 20-30lbs for Povetkin fight & all in just 2-3 months time.. Serious red flag there if you aren't hitting Burger/Pastry joints all those time & still look chiseled with no baggage of those additional weights..

[BoliviaChiLEsp]

Don't know, he has to fight against the top heavyweights in order to determine that.

[STREET CLEANER]

I under-rated him and he has surprised me with some of his skills.

But those doping tests.....

[BlackRevolver]

I had a same opinion on other threads.. Wilder a natural 215-220 pound guy put on 20-30lbs for Povetkin fight & all in just 2-3 months time.. Serious red flag there if you aren't hitting Burger/Pastry joints all those time & still look chiseled with no baggage of those additional weights..

You can't judge by photos, as unless you're with a boxer in his camp, you won't see the development of his body, the changes in his physique and his training methods.

Its too simplistic to judge someone by a before and after photo, or say "he put on this much muscle in such months, but no fat".

Not all individuals put on muscle and burn fat at the same rate, thats scientifically proven, which is why you often have the boxer with a beer belly calling out boxers for using peds, as they can't understand why a certain individual is building muscle (or losing fat) quicker then he is.

I've seen first hand of whats possible by training naturally with individuals that can take months off training and maintain a certain condition, yet another guy will take months off training and lose a greater amount of muscle, so what would your reaction be? the guy that still looked in great shape must be a roider.

[deathofaclown]

It's hard to say. I think the way he knocked out Jennings was impressive though.

He's definitely high risk - low reward so i think most won't fancy it. Would be beat the top heavyweights? i don't know, maybe or maybe not, but i'd imagine he will give them a hell of a fight either way. Probably not worth the risk of finding out for very little return.

[BoxingFan85]

You can't judge by photos, as unless you're with a boxer in his camp, you won't see the development of his body, the changes in his physique and his training methods.

Its too simplistic to judge someone by a before and after photo, or say "he put on this much muscle in such months, but no fat".

Not all individuals put on muscle and burn fat at the same rate, thats scientifically proven, which is why you often have the boxer with a beer belly calling out boxers for using peds, as they can't understand why a certain individual is building muscle (or losing fat) quicker then he is.

I am a science grad who happen to have knowledge on human anatomy, I aint no doctor for sure, so pardon me if my explanation/terms come across as student like & not a pro.. But I still back my claim that an athlete who is past his genetic prime(30 yrs) simply cannot gain 20-30lbs of muscle mass with no fat in matter of 2-3 months. bulking up & maintaining the muscle mass is a gradual process & in most cases needs the right supplements & diet.. Gaining 30lbs needs right supplements & that's what I am calling out as a red flag that these supplements are enhancing your body grow so fast.. You know where I am going with this..

I've seen first hand of whats possible by training naturally with individuals that can take months off training and maintain a certain condition, yet another guy will take months off training and lose a greater amount of muscle, so what would your reaction be? the guy that still looked in great shape must be a roider.

if you are training 6-8 hrs a day & doing cardio, set this routine up for 6 days a week, your body doesn't get the right time to gain the muscle mass, its only logical.. Also, your appetite is driven by your body need & the more your burn, the more you consume.. I know people who are gym **** & are athletically built like Wilder is but aren't able to gain that mass weight just by their protein/carb diet..

[Jewish-Reptile]

Thread should have been will hype jobs continue to avoid Ortiz. Yes I'm talking about Joshua and Wilder.

Besides I want these two lepers to face Klitschko so he can retire having cleared out this new wave of contender also. Fück Ortiz and Fury, they're both cheats.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ortiz was much more impressive against Jennings than Klitschko was.

But you always have to wonder if he is clean or not given his past PED history.