Why can't Team GGG pay Jacobs the 4-5 mil he asks for? Khan made 13 mil vs Canelo

[HeroBando]

Because you've got to **** or get off of the pot.

Daniel Jacobs is all of 29, he's won 11 straight fights, he's got support in his home venue, his TV broadcaster is backing him, and he's currently in the top 3 middleweights on planet Earth.

Rather than be *****es about it, a time comes when you've got to see how good your fighter actually is.

Jacobs takes the fight and beats Golovkin, he's the King of New York (with a story that you can run into launching him into stardom). If he loses, Jacobs at least set the stage for a massive event in taking the chance, he'd still be only 30 years old (with time to rebuild), and his performance would set the stage for him to stand tall in New York.

You duck the Golovkin fight, and what does Daniel Jacobs do instead? Billy Joe Saunders would be a good fight, and there's likely novelty in seeing the Quillin rematch, but every other MW fight that there is to make, at least for the next 1-2 years or so, would be basically tick-over fights.

Hilarious to see folks simply assume that the fight is a washout, knowing that Daniel Jacobs is level(s) better than anyone Golovkin;s ever fought and Golovkin is nowhere near as impressive when his opponent simply isn't standing there waiting to play "punch face" with him.

But is that 1/10 chance worth losing 5m over, for a guy who's not a draw? Just to demonstrate once more why the p4p elite fight on Hbo, seems like bad business

[Scipio2009]

What conditions did GGG impose on Martinez, or Cotto? As for Canelo he was being unreasonable wanting the fight at 155 for the middleweight championship. I'm glad he vacated and a true champion was established. Let Canelo try to go to 154, miss weight and then fight GGG in 2017 to get the beating he deserves.

Fights with fighters in different networks won't happen and I can bet no one was happy at the pathetic ratings Jacobs/Quillin had. Only so much time before investors find out that overpaying guys for fighting bums isn't the way things work.

Alvarez has never taken a fight above 155lbs in his professional career, and don't act as if 160 is a sacrosanct weight for middleweight title defenses. Floyd was barely settled in at 147 when he agreed to fight Oscar De La Hoya at 154 pounds. Did Floyd cry about it? No; he agreed to the terms, prepped himself to fight perfection, stepped on the scale at 150, and whooped that ass.

Why is Golovkin so special that he gets exempted from what every other fighter trying to get to stardom has had to do, take fights at unfavorable terms for their own shot at glory?

The commercials are selling through for near all of the PBC fight cards, the sponsors are supporting PBC shows all across the country, and the tickets are selling in their markets. The days of hoping fr doom/gloom are about over.

[HeroBando]

Alvarez has never taken a fight above 155lbs in his professional career, and don't act as if 160 is a sacrosanct weight for middleweight title defenses. Floyd was barely settled in at 147 when he agreed to fight Oscar De La Hoya at 154 pounds. Did Floyd cry about it? No; he agreed to the terms, prepped himself to fight perfection, stepped on the scale at 150, and whooped that ass.

Why is Golovkin so special that he gets exempted from what every other fighter trying to get to stardom has had to do, take fights at unfavorable terms for their own shot at glory?

The commercials are selling through for near all of the PBC fight cards, the sponsors are supporting PBC shows all across the country, and the tickets are selling in their markets. The days of hoping fr doom/gloom are about over.

Given that there's never been a mando at a CW, much less lowest CW possible, sure seems sacrosanct. Wrong as usual.

Ggg couldn't agree on any terms cause none were presented. Canelo gave up the belt without making an offer. That's cause unlike DLH he had no intention of facing that opponent.

[elgu]

I think that Daniel Jacobs (along with Peter Quillin, Chris Eubank Jr, Demetrius Andrade, Julian Williams, to a lesser extent Billy Joe Saunders and Erislandy Lara, and at least 5-7 super middleweights) has the tools of the type of fighter that would wreck Golovkin.

According to BoxRec's measurements, Golovkin is all of 5'10, has 70" reach, and already has the wear on his body of being a 34 year old 10-year pro fighter who was in 350 fights before picking up the first check.

Daniel Jacobs is the younger man, is the significantly bigger man (height/frame), is the significantly longer man, can box coming/going, fights well on the inside, can crack with both hands, and has his own awkward switch-hit style that will give fits. To that, you can add that Jacobs isn't going to just stand there, let Golovkin set his feet, and tee off.

The Pirog fight six years ago (where he got nailed with that punch-perfect right hand in the 5th, a shot that Golovkin doesn't have in his arsenal) has me holding off on betting my money (how much punch resistance a 23-year old kid can pick up in 6 years I can't answer, but Jacobs can be knocked out), but folks have been ahead of themselves on the Golovkin hype for a while now, imo.

4 paragraphs and you still can't answer a simple question. Do you believe Jacobs beats Golovkin?

[Scipio2009]

But is that 1/10 chance worth losing 5m over, for a guy who's not a draw? Just to demonstrate once more why the p4p elite fight on Hbo, seems like bad business

You make the bet, and you let it be what it is.

If Daniel Jacobs wins the fight, that $5m bet turns Jacobs into a $7m-$10m per fight fighter, for however long his run on top goes (speaking in terms of total revenue; ie live gate, TV money, international TV money, sponsors, merch, etc), with the drop off not being all that drastic were he to lose again.

If Daniel Jacobs loses the fight (as long as he doesn't get washed in 3 rounds), the $5m bet still turns Daniel Jacobs into a fighter you could feature in NYC at Barclays Center at do $3m-$4m per fight as he builds for another shot at the titles.

Beyond that, if the odds were as tilted as you want to have folks believe, why is HBO, "where the p4p elite fight", so hesitant to put up the money?

Daniel Jacobs is a known fighter in New York (all but guaranteeing two fighters being able to drive up local interest in the fight), the hardcore fight community knows that Daniel Jacobs can fight (undergirding the PPV audience coming from the hardcore fan), and Daniel Jacobs has a story that is basically tailor-made for an extended ESPN/casual sports media push ("Miracle Man" Daniel Jacobs is basically a real-like depiction of "Cinderella Man"; menacing monster as the champion, hard-luck fighter whose career was stalled out for other reasons, road back to the top, capped off with a shot at the full titles).

If you wanted a way to turn your 34 year old can crusher into a star, why wouldn't you bet the money on such a fight, especially if it's such a gimme.

[Scipio2009]

4 paragraphs and you still can't answer a simple question. Do you believe Jacobs beats Golovkin?

since you can't seem to bother to read, Daniel Jacobs beats Golovkin, unless he gets chinned by a stray shot he doesn't see, which I doubt comes.

[Scipio2009]

Given that there's never been a mando at a CW, much less lowest CW possible, sure seems sacrosanct. Wrong as usual.

Ggg couldn't agree on any terms cause none were presented. Canelo gave up the belt without making an offer. That's cause unlike DLH he had no intention of facing that opponent.

Mandatory defenses are supposed also get 25% of the money, yet that doesn't happen all that much either, lol.

Golovkin has already been presented terms for fights that he's already turned down, so don't act as if a formal contract was some barrier.

Alvarez was ready to take any fight at 155lbs, and Oscar De La Hoya laid out the opening gambit at 10/90 on the event (with likely carveouts of the Mexican TV for Alvarez and the German TV for Golovkin). Alvarez, for the shows that he's headlined had a seemingly defacto 15/85 split with his opponents.

Don't delude yourself

[HeroBando]

Mandatory defenses are supposed also get 25% of the money, yet that doesn't happen all that much either, lol.

Golovkin has already been presented terms for fights that he's already turned down, so don't act as if a formal contract was some barrier.

Alvarez was ready to take any fight at 155lbs, and Oscar De La Hoya laid out the opening gambit at 10/90 on the event (with likely carveouts of the Mexican TV for Alvarez and the German TV for Golovkin). Alvarez, for the shows that he's headlined had a seemingly defacto 15/85 split with his opponents.

Don't delude yourself

I don't know what this garbage means.

[Tomjas]

Mandatory defenses are supposed also get 25% of the money, yet that doesn't happen all that much either, lol.

Golovkin has already been presented terms for fights that he's already turned down, so don't act as if a formal contract was some barrier.

Alvarez was ready to take any fight at 155lbs, and Oscar De La Hoya laid out the opening gambit at 10/90 on the event (with likely carveouts of the Mexican TV for Alvarez and the German TV for Golovkin). Alvarez, for the shows that he's headlined had a seemingly defacto 15/85 split with his opponents.

Don't delude yourself

Khan got more than 30%

GBP never wanted the GGG fight and never made an offer before Canelo ran away - it really is that simple

[NaijaD]

So much painful ******ation in one thread, honestly my chest aches reading some of these posts agreeing with the TS.

1. Jacobs isn't worth 4-5 million under any circumstances in any fight, Floyd himself wouldn't give Danny that much.

2. GGG pulls in better ratings than Danny and sells far more tickets, yet his best purse is in the region of 2 million. Somehow Danny that doesn't bring a large or particular dedicated following will get twice this while GGG should "dare to be great, take risks and make concessions for a less popular and less accomplished fighter"... None of you would dare make this argument if the roles were reversed.

3. Danny's highest purse is 1.5 million in a fight where the ratings tanked and the fight didn't sell out. HBO are not in the business of overpaying fighters the way PBC has been doing.


This is Danny pricing himself plain and simple, I don't mind though.... GGG would fold him in less than 3 rounds, not because he's a bad fighter but having a bad chin as an Achilles heel spells disaster against GGG.

I am not a GGG fan nor do I think everything he does is beyond criticism, but man some of you are REACHING so badly it's flipping embarrassing. Some of the arguments against him in this thread are so poor that I really do wonder if it really does just come down to race for some of you.