Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Klitschko's Time May Have Passed, Fury Wins Again

[artofpugilism]

Wlad pulled a fast one on all of boxing by dumping the Fury fight and collecting big on side bets off a Fury win and stunning Wlad loss. Just watching Wlad not punching and looking lousy was an indication the fight waS BEING THROWN. Fury has no boxing skills and is a clumsy soft oaf.

Yes wlad seems like the type of guy to throw a fight vs someone like fury to make some cash pfft. If you r serious you dont understand boxing, his low punch output was obviously due to team furys tactics

[BlackRevolver]

It is a shame Fury ducked out in November 2012, I believe that would have been a great fight. Fury was coming off of a career high win over Chisora just like Fury was in 2014, their really isn't much more to Fury than their was before the Klitschko win although he was a little more entertaining and willing to get into exciting fights back then as he hadn't been knocked down by the pillow fisted cruiser until afterwards, showing his limitations, so I suppose the fight could have been more exciting and more action against Klitschko had Fury not had this new negative approach.

Wlad looks like he's slowing down drastically over the past couple of years, his activity tellingly showing the decrease in punch outout, thrown and landed. The years spent by the best challengers trying to avoid Wlad by clamouring for a shot at the recently vacated Klitschko created a vacuum and a further lull in his ability to get the best challengers to challenge him earlier as opposed to the likes of Fury and Wilder who openly stated they'd wait for him to get older.

Unfortunately Scott, this sums up boxing in general for me. Fights never happen when they should, either due to money or individuals simply not fancying the challenge of facing a tougher opponent.

This is why I hope to see Joshua facing Haye (yes I know you don't agree), but I want to see Joshua face Haye at a time in AJ's career where it would be easier to avoid Haye, as that would tell me Joshua isn't mapping out an easy route, protecting himself from dangerous opponents.

As for Fury/Wlad, Possibly Wlads defeat may have reinvigorated Klitschko for this fight, just please, not another 12 rounds of face pulling!

[artofpugilism]

Unfortunately Scott, this sums up boxing in general for me. Fights never happen when they should, either due to money or individuals simply not fancying the challenge of facing a tougher opponent.

This is why I hope to see Joshua facing Haye (yes I know you don't agree), but I want to see Joshua face Haye at a time in AJ's career where it would be easier to avoid Haye, as that would tell me Joshua isn't mapping out an easy route, protecting himself from dangerous opponents.

As for Fury/Wlad, Possibly Wlads defeat may have reinvigorated Klitschko for this fight, just please, not another 12 rounds of face pulling!

Joshua would fight haye, but hearn would never let it happen, the next so called hard fght for aj will be his mandatory in january

[BlackRevolver]

Joshua would fight haye, but hearn would never let it happen, the next so called hard fght for aj will be his mandatory in january

True. I should be discussing Joshua's camp protecting him, rather then suggesting Joshua himself is avoiding Haye.

I guess you can argue its smart protecting a young HW fighter at this stage in his career, but it would be refreshing, if Joshua faces dangerous opponents such as Haye/Fury in the next 12 months.

[artofpugilism]

True. I should be discussing Joshua's camp protecting him, rather then suggesting Joshua himself is avoiding Haye.

I guess you can argue its smart protecting a young HW fighter at this stage in his career, but it would be refreshing, if Joshua faces dangerous opponents such as Haye/Fury in the next 12 months.

The problem is the heayweight division lacks depth, so its either take an easy fight against uncreditabble opposition or take a risky fight vs slightly more credible opposition. Theres few good stepping stone fighters to bridge the gap, especially that have a good enough name to increase a boxers profile. Im not saying it in terms of padding a recors, more gaining experience and exposure.

[jmrf4435]

Fury is so underrated. For his size his footwork is incredible and is probably his biggest asset. Fury would be trouble for any heavyweight out their right now. He also has a high punch output and a great jab, making winning on point highly likely.

Fury wins again but in a much easier fashion.

[artofpugilism]

Fury is so underrated. For his size his footwork is incredible and is probably his biggest asset. Fury would be trouble for any heavyweight out their right now. He also has a high punch output and a great jab, making winning on point highly likely.

Fury wins again but in a much easier fashion.

I wouldnt say his footwork is incredible, its more a case of how he puts it all together. He uses jabs, feints, unorthox punching angles and footwork to make all those aspects a lot more effective . I cannot believe how much he has developed since turning pro but he is beatable. im on the fence whether wlad can adjust and fight with the right style to do it or not its been so long since wlad took risk and when he did he got kod.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Unfortunately Scott, this sums up boxing in general for me. Fights never happen when they should, either due to money or individuals simply not fancying the challenge of facing a tougher opponent.

This is why I hope to see Joshua facing Haye (yes I know you don't agree), but I want to see Joshua face Haye at a time in AJ's career where it would be easier to avoid Haye, as that would tell me Joshua isn't mapping out an easy route, protecting himself from dangerous opponents.

As for Fury/Wlad, Possibly Wlads defeat may have reinvigorated Klitschko for this fight, just please, not another 12 rounds of face pulling!

Haye is back for the the riches and spoils not legacy or super stardom, he has come back the moment a new ppv entity has emerged, his performance would matter little to himself against Joshua, his chief concern being across the ring for the opening bell as so that his cheque clears. I've no time for Haye, the continuation of his career or his fans. I feel Haye caters to a casual fan base uncaring of his opposition, the type that go out to eat hot dogs, update their social media accounts with selfie photos taken of their grand evening out in a sold out capacity arena whilst Haye has lined up another creme puff he can bowl over in 100 seconds. I find it all rather pathetic and wouldn't call it a boxing event, just an event, simply.

You have your perogative and I have mine, I enjoy competitive fights unlike these Haye and Golovkin shows we've been treated to of late. As for Haye scoring a ppv vs Joshua on the back of his recent media manipulation nothing repulses me more than that thought. Do I believe it would be competitive, I'm not sure, my reservations are with Haye simply swanning in when guys like Fury, Parker and Klitschko have all earnt their right to be in a competition to compete for the IBF title held by the current titleist. Haye does not deserve to compete for that belt immediately he should be ordered to face Pulev and made to wait in line like Parker is having to do. If you believe for a moment Haye would risk defeat versus Pulev to earn that shot you're sadly mistaken.

[BlackRevolver]

Haye is back for the the riches and spoils not legacy or super stardom, he has come back the moment a new ppv entity has emerged, his performance would matter little to himself against Joshua, his chief concern being across the ring for the opening bell as so that his cheque clears. I've no time for Haye, the continuation of his career or his fans. I feel Haye caters to a casual fan base uncaring of his opposition, the type that go out to eat hot dogs, update their social media accounts with selfie photos taken of their grand evening out in a sold out capacity arena whilst Haye has lined up another creme puff he can bowl over in 100 seconds. I find it all rather pathetic and wouldn't call it a boxing event, just an event, simply.

You have your perogative and I have mine, I enjoy competitive fights unlike these Haye and Golovkin shows we've been treated to of late. As for Haye scoring a ppv vs Joshua on the back of his recent media manipulation nothing repulses me more than that thought. Do I believe it would be competitive, I'm not sure, my reservations are with Haye simply swanning in when guys like Fury, Parker and Klitschko have all earnt their right to be in a competition to compete for the IBF title held by the current titleist. Haye does not deserve to compete for that belt immediately he should be ordered to face Pulev and made to wait in line like Parker is having to do. If you believe for a moment Haye would risk defeat versus Pulev to earn that shot you're sadly mistaken.

The majority, if not all popular fighters, showmen, have fans that can be classed as "casual". Casual fans help create events, not just Boxing, but for all big fighting events. In many ways its a compliment to Haye that he's such a popular fighter, as the sport needs entertainers.

Imagine a roster of 15 Wlad's, robots, that may appeal to some, yet it would kill boxing, so I'm pleased we currently have a variety of boxers (styles/personalities) on the roster and you are entitled to your opinion on Haye, yet we both know Haye would be a dangerous opponent for Joshua.

Pulev? the fighter that went 12 rounds with Chisora and Thompson? Haye is on a different level to these guys and this is what some don't recognise.

The poster above (artofpugilism) summed it up well, there is a lack of depth in HW boxing and if Haye faces the Cobra or Pulev, it matters not, Haye defeats these guys.

If you match Pulev V Cobra, Pulev is clearly the better fighter, but the trouble with HW boxing is that the leading fighters are that much superior to the rest of the roster, that unless they are signed up to fight each other, all opponents are safe fights.

[Corelone]

Paulie is one to talk, no harm intended. Klischko is over the hill, but Tyson might beat him to the bottom. A self destructive, out of shape lifestyle, and a long lay off are hard demons.