Boxing Heads....tell me why 3XG ISNT Lucas Matthysse 2016

[therealpugilist]

if canelo alvarez makes a new weight class to keep from defending his lineal title against golovkin, mention it. focus on it. it is what is important. you don't do that. you want him to move up so he can lose, and you forget the rest. boxing is a business for everybody else but gennady golovkin, who should move based on where you want him to move, not to try and maximize the earnings of a guy who didnt break into the big time until he was a 30 year old man.


now, once canelo grows a pair and fights, and if golovkin beats him, it's then that you ask them to move up. it's fine to criticize gennady golovkin. he's not perfect, and no fighter is. you're universally labled as a fanboy because of the disproportionate amount of hate you heap on golovkin while conveniently leaving out that he's being ducked by the most popular fighter, and biggest ppv attraction in boxing.


nobody asked marvin hagler to move up. hagler is actually a good comparison for golovkin. both took a while to break into the big time and start earning money. politics kept hagler from getting big fights for years. didn't get his big fights until smaller guys moved up, and he had to be patient while the three biggest earners in boxing were ready to fight for the MW championship.


nobody was asking him to move up to 175 and forget that ray leonard, the biggest fighter in boxing, was at 147 and 154. nobody asked him to leave the hearns and duran fights behind, either. both guys were campaigning at 154 - 160.

if you move up you kiss the big fights goodbye. it's too easy of an excuse for the higher earners to fight a 168 or a 175 lber.

alvarez - golovkin is looking damn hard to make when golovkin is fighting at 160. you think they're going to alvarez in with a 168 lber when they're making a new weight class to keep from fighting a middleweight?

Yo New England, we've had some good back and forths over the years and my position is this simple

Canelo is 25 and probably has another 8-10 years while GGG may be lucky to have 3-4

Canelito really pissed fans off and im one of them but K2 and GGG have to step on the gas if they want to cement this guys legacy.

He is being moved slow for a fighter so good.

Difference is 168 was not an established weight division back then and Hagler had to EARN his titles in the ring....big difference....he'd have to fought Michael Spinks.....yikes

Paul williams was avoided supposedly at 147....he went on to fight anyone willing to step in the ring with himm from 154-160

If he cant get canelo by next summer, he should move on


canelo is azzed out cause 154 is deep with talent and 160 has GGG, he is going to have to step up as well.

IMO Andrade would kick Canelo's azz

Canelo isnt the only good fighter he can face from 154-160...why waste time on a guy who clearly doesnt want none.


I cant put all the blame on fighters ducking when IM not on either guys promo team and with everyone outside Canelo, GGG is the A side now....K2 can send some offers to some decent contenders from 154-160 and stay busy with a lil tougher guys than the mandatories that are usually mismatches

[therealpugilist]

andre ward hasn't come close to doing what golovkin has done in the last 2-3 years. who did he fight last? barrera wasn't even in the top 10. who did he fight before that? paul smith.

you didn't ask "who is ward fighting next?" because you probably ddidn't know how the ocntract worked. ward and kovalev have contracts to fight each other november 19 [i am hopefully going to be there,] but they are taking fights in the interim. if they lose those in fights the contract is goign to be renegotiated, and the fight may not happen. either you ddin't know who ward was fighting next, or you didn't want it to hurt your agenda. ward's going to fight another "tune up." barrera wasn't even in the top 10. paul smith was paul freaking smith .

i love andre ward. he was a player in boxing before golovkin, and he'll outlast him. a dog loves a bone. but your agenda is hysterical. golovkin's equivalent to sergey kovalev won't sign a contract to fight! and the fights he's taken in the past 2-3 years trump what ward has done. yet ward's probably higher on your p4p list, and ward's probably got an excuse for his easy matching. they're tune ups. which is fine.


golovkin's got an excuse for his matchmaking, and it's 2 fold:

1. canelo alvarez and GBP created a new f#Cking weight class to avoid golovkin. they are revolutionizing ducking. it's the biggest story in boxing right now, generating by far the most traffic. it's the new pacquiao - mayweather, except there are no pro alvarez people. instead, since these people udnerstnad that it's foolish to get behind the coward causing all of this, they just take a hardline stance of hatred for golovkin.


they'll tell you all about their hate for golovkin, but they really won't get into why. that's because they don't actually support canelo for ducking golovkin. they just ignore it completely.


i ask you in basically every post that i make regarding your childish posting / threads why you ignore it, but you have no answer. why do you ignore canelo's [cotto's, martinez', quillin's,] ducking and focus instead on golovkin's resume?

Ward had injuries and promo disputes, you know this...GGG has been very active and his competition hasnt been very good....I liked the Lemmie match up though....showed he had top notch jab and boxing skills

Other fighters were ducked bro....they made changes in the way their demands or moved up or down


People were saying the same thing about Paul Williams....fights with Manny, Floyd or Cotto wouldve most likely been bigger than Canelo vs GGG, but Williams said **** it, i'll chase these guys til someone has the balls to fight me

thats called taking risks.

[New England]

Ward had injuries and promo disputes, you know this...GGG has been very active and his competition hasnt been very good....I liked the Lemmie match up though....showed he had top notch jab and boxing skills

Other fighters were ducked bro....they made changes in the way their demands or moved up or down


People were saying the same thing about Paul Williams....fights with Manny, Floyd or Cotto wouldve most likely been bigger than Canelo vs GGG, but Williams said **** it, i'll chase these guys til someone has the balls to fight me

thats called taking risks.

paul williams wasnt't going to be half of the biggest fight in boxing, dude. you keep ignoring that reality. you can't reconcile moving up when you face that reailtiy, so you just ignore it. this is why i don't take you seriously any more, and just post for the benefit of the forum in tyour threads. you can't be reasoned with.

he also lost to quintana, and took bombs in basically every fight he was ever in. he's not comparable to one of the biggest draws in boxing, arguably its best puncher, and a top 3 p4per. he had trouble getting fights against floyd, and particularly manny, because of the size. the f#ck are those two going to fight a guy that big for? golovkin is not bigger than canelo. canelo's actually heavier on fight night.

williams was a 6'2" WW with a longer reach than tommy hearns, and who absolutely murdered himself to make 147. went to 160 and actually came back to his natural weight, which was 154 lbs. don't act like he was some weight climbing god, because he wasn't. and don't act like golovkin is fighting smaller guys, because he's not. williams was probably within 5 lbs of golovkin's fight night weight when he weight in at f#Cking ww the day before.

at MW williams fought an aging winky wright, andy kolle, and sergio martinez, who had been campaigning at 154 most of his life, and was 157 and 159 on fight night. i think you should pay attention to what these guys actually did before you talk about them like they moved mountains, or as if they make golovkins' accomplishments seem so dreadful as you seem to think they are to any objective observer . paul williams went from killing himself at WW to a comfortable 154 lber to end his career. fought an aging winky wright, a 154 lber at his best. and sergio martinez. a very good fighter, but a 154 lber himself, and more of a flash in the pan than anything else.

[therealpugilist]

paul williams wasnt't going to be half of the biggest fight in boxing, dude. you keep ignoring that reality. you can't reconcile moving up when you face that reailtiy, so you just ignore it. this is why i don't take you seriously any more, and just post for the benefit of the forum in tyour threads. you can't be reasoned with.

he also lost to quintana, and took bombs in basically every fight he was ever in. he's not comparable to one of the biggest draws in boxing, arguably its best puncher, and a top 3 p4per. he had trouble getting fights against floyd, and particularly manny, because of the size. the f#ck are those two going to fight a guy that big for? golovkin is not bigger than canelo. canelo's actually heavier on fight night.

williams was a 6'2" WW with a longer reach than tommy hearns, and who absolutely murdered himself to make 147. went to 160 and actually came back to his natural weight, which was 154 lbs. don't act like he was some weight climbing god, because he wasn't. and don't act like golovkin is fighting smaller guys, because he's not. williams was probably within 5 lbs of golovkin's fight night weight when he weight in at f#Cking ww the day before.

at MW williams fought an aging winky wright, andy kolle, and sergio martinez, who had been campaigning at 154 most of his life, and was 157 and 159 on fight night. i think you should pay attention to what these guys actually did before you talk about them like they moved mountains, or as if they make golovkins' accomplishments seem so dreadful as you seem to think they are to any objective observer . paul williams went from killing himself at WW to a comfortable 154 lber to end his career. fought an aging winky wright, a 154 lber at his best. and sergio martinez. a very good fighter, but a 154 lber himself, and more of a flash in the pan than anything else.

better than sitting back complaining no one will fight you, then end up fighting a no name


sooner or later they are gonna have to make some changes...they are wasting GGG's prime on "unifying" but how meaningful is it if he doesnt even have to fight for the belts?

[elgu]

Ward had injuries and promo disputes, you know this...GGG has been very active and his competition hasnt been very good....I liked the Lemmie match up though....showed he had top notch jab and boxing skills

Other fighters were ducked bro....they made changes in the way their demands or moved up or down


People were saying the same thing about Paul Williams....fights with Manny, Floyd or Cotto wouldve most likely been bigger than Canelo vs GGG, but Williams said **** it, i'll chase these guys til someone has the balls to fight me

thats called taking risks.

Ward avoided GGG in 2013, and as for his so called injuries he never sent medical evidence to the WBC and that's why they stripped him. Since 2013 all Ward has done is fought bums but you don't call him out.

As for Williams the worst thing he did was moving up. He didn't have the frame to do it and 154 was his ceiling. He decided to move up even higher and got knocked out and sent to Neverland. Which is what you want to happen to GGG. Hell even at 154 every time he got his clean by Lara he was affected. Williams had a bad trainer, and even worse team that allowed him to go to 154 and 160. At 160 Pavlik,even drunk, would have killed him. Canelo at 154 would have also knocked him out. His weight class was 147.

There are weight classes in boxing for a reason. Internalize everything i wrote or stay a troll. Do whatever you want.

[therealpugilist]

Ward avoided GGG in 2013, and as for his so called injuries he never sent medical evidence to the WBC and that's why they stripped him. Since 2013 all Ward has done is fought bums but you don't call him out.

As for Williams the worst thing he did was moving up. He didn't have the frame to do it and 154 was his ceiling. He decided to move up even higher and got knocked out and sent to Neverland. Which is what you want to happen to GGG. Hell even at 154 every time he got his clean by Lara he was affected. Williams had a bad trainer, and even worse team that allowed him to go to 154 and 160. At 160 Pavlik,even drunk, would have killed him. Canelo at 154 would have also knocked him out. His weight class was 147.

There are weight classes in boxing for a reason. Internalize everything i wrote or stay a troll. Do whatever you want.

there are no short cuts to greatness....he wanted to show the world he was one of the best in the world.

thats what fighters do chasing greatness...they take risks

[elgu]

there are no short cuts to greatness....he wanted to show the world he was one of the best in the world.

thats what fighters do chasing greatness...they take risks

Did you even read what i wrote about weight frame? Williams didn't have the weight frame to go to 154 or 160. Which is why he got knocked out senseless. Which is what you want to happen to GGG. I'm done with you. Expect red K on the basis of being a GGG hater, a supremacist and a mindless troll incapable of engaging in discussions with an open mind. Good day sir.

[therealpugilist]

Did you even read what i wrote about weight frame? Williams didn't have the weight frame to go to 154 or 160. Which is why he got knocked out senseless. Which is what you want to happen to GGG. I'm done with you. Expect red K on the basis of being a GGG hater, a supremacist and a mindless troll incapable of engaging in discussions with an open mind. Good day sir.

IDGAF about red k, like I said before all it proves it that someone agrees with you or not...doesnt make your position any more valid than mine

answer this question for me.....were these guys too small for 168 or higher

Did leonard have the frame to fight at 168? he started below 147....so did hearns he won a title at 168

Did mike mccallum? he won his first title at 154 and also won titles at 160 and 175..he was ducked worse than

I can go on and on


stop making excuses when their have been plenty of fighters who started below 160 who fought at or above 168

How about 5'7" vinny paz started at 135

hmmmm....Roy jones started at 154 and fought all the way up at heavy and carved out ATG status at 175....thats what greats do...take risks

GGG is p4p right? He'll have to prove it like everyone else

[New England]

there are no short cuts to greatness....he wanted to show the world he was one of the best in the world.

thats what fighters do chasing greatness...they take risks

dude, he wanted money and he outgrew 147 lbs if anybody ever outgrew the weight.

you put what williams did on a pedestal while completely ignoring what golovkin has done, and that canelo, cotto, and martinez are the reason those fights aren't happening. golovkin tried to take those risks. he's still trying to take those risks. he's also trying to make money, which is what matters when you want to find out what is motivating the movement of the career of a professional boxer.


there are no compelling arguments for golovkin to move to 168 unless you want him to lose. same money. no more chance to fight canelo on ppv. no big names at all. you just want him to lose, and you do whatever you can to detract from him.


you are a hater.

[therealpugilist]

dude, he wanted money and he outgrew 147 lbs if anybody ever outgrew the weight.

that you put what he did on a pedestal while completely ignoring what golovkin has done, and that canelo, cotto, and martinez are the reason those fights aren't happening. golovkin tried to take those risks. he's still trying to take those risks. he's also trying to make money, which is what matters when you want to find out what is motivating the movement of the career of a professional boxer.


there are no compelling arguments for golovkin to move to 168 unless you want him to lose. same money. no more chance to fight canelo on ppv. no big names at all. you just want him to lose, and you do whatever you can to detract from him.


you are a hater.

....you know you opinion means about . much to me.....i'll live KMSL