Comments Thread For: Arum on Lomachenko's Options: Salido, Vargas, Walters

[elgu]

and wat do you know the top comment on boxing scene is misleading and on top of that something else not new...a black fighter is accused of ducking..

but when i bring up the facts tho...

It's called pricing yourself out and it is a way of ducking. Don't bring race into it, some of my favorite fighters are black and duckers exist in all races and countries. I believe Walters and Crawford, and Spence have what it takes to be HOF and maybe even ATG's but they have to prove it in the ring. Crawford was unlucky that Pac didn't chose him, but now with the Postol fight he has the chance to prove he is the best at 140. Spence is on his way, and can take his time because he is starting. Walters however already had the chance to put his name in the map with the Donaire win and after that he seems to have become complacent, doesn't bother to make weight, and ducks a guy that could cement him in the p4p. I think he lost the hunger, and is now in it for the money and he doesn't have the fan base to demand the money he wants so he is obviously pricing himself out by demanding the money he is demanding for the Loma bout.

[tiliheels]

stylistically i dont see how lomo lost to salido..salido was meant to be lomo's first scalp...im not sure on a rematch bc lomo might be a bit soft

vargas..tbh i think salido and muira back to back have ruined the mans career..rest and recovery is neeed, if golden boy pushes it he is done in less than 2 years

walters: i think this is a match up nightmare for lomo...walters is highly complete in many fundamental areas...huge guy for those weights..much power much precision..i dont think neither vargas or salido beats him..i really want to see lomo with him bc if lomo pulls that off no doubt about it he is one of the best 126-130lbc guys ever...bc walters is one of the biggest skilled guys i have ever seen at those weights...

i have no bias here i just need to see that fight....and no i dont agree with lomo playing the Aside...neither guy is an Aside...lomo is just stronger promoted bc of bob is picking who he wants to promote instead of letting his fighters talk with their fist

both are great fighters, non-draws, and B-side to everybody they fight imo

rocky martinez sold his belt in front of him and verdejo's fans..

[tiliheels]

It's called pricing yourself out and it is a way of ducking. Don't bring race into it, some of my favorite fighters are black and duckers exist in all races and countries. I believe Walters and Crawford, and Spence have what it takes to be HOF and maybe even ATG's but they have to prove it in the ring. Crawford was unlucky that Pac didn't chose him, but now with the Postol fight he has the chance to prove he is the best at 140. Spence is on his way, and can take his time because he is starting. Walters however already had the chance to put his name in the map with the Donaire win and after that he seems to have become complacent, doesn't bother to make weight, and ducks a guy that could cement him in the p4p. I think he lost the hunger, and is now in it for the money and he doesn't have the fan base to demand the money he wants so he is obviously pricing himself out by demanding the money he is demanding for the Loma bout.

actually the person priced out was lomo...lomo has never headlined an hbo card. and when he did bob put him on one with all the ricans on pr day parade so he could finally have a crowd

bob has overpaid him and elected not to pay walters while walters has been more tested...

the fight should have been an even money fight...i dont think either guy is an Aside

lomo had maybe 100 fans in that building..the rest where ricans.

but bob still paid him the most money..this is likely the first time bob ever mad money off of lomo

and it was really money mad by verdejo.

neither guy is an Aside and we have too tell the truth...

[Redd Foxx]

nick never said millions..arum did..nick just said 500k is not enough and that arum promised him more money right before he robbed him with taht draw..now nick is not comfy fighting for short money and risking a robbery..

it should have been about 750k each up front..no ifs in teh contract..then we an call it duck if neither guy takes it.

but walters is at disadvantage in all of this and it is not bc of nothing he done and arum said that... arum didnt punish lomo for losing..and he punished walters for winning..doesnt make since...arum is picking who to promote instead of letting the fight decide who is the best...

i think walters wins the head to head fight, but i think lomo is the maybe the better p4p fighters and would do better in higher divisions...but walters also has the chance to be good at other divisions im aking nothing away form him

bob should do his ppv thing for lomo walters i would buy it..it is the best fight with no need for any belt

^This. The "duck" thing is ignorant. These guys do this to get... MONEY. Fans have a hard time understanding that. They think boxing is a video game and forget that it's a career in which you have a very narrow timeframe in which to make your life's savings. As a guy who works in an unstable field, I get that. You gotta get paid. I don't think Nick has the slightest fear of Loma and would likely wreck him. Whether he's greedy or not, or even making a wise decision is a fair game question but the duck accusation is another childish boxing fan game.

[tiliheels]

It's called pricing yourself out and it is a way of ducking. Don't bring race into it, some of my favorite fighters are black and duckers exist in all races and countries. I believe Walters and Crawford, and Spence have what it takes to be HOF and maybe even ATG's but they have to prove it in the ring. Crawford was unlucky that Pac didn't chose him, but now with the Postol fight he has the chance to prove he is the best at 140. Spence is on his way, and can take his time because he is starting. Walters however already had the chance to put his name in the map with the Donaire win and after that he seems to have become complacent, doesn't bother to make weight, and ducks a guy that could cement him in the p4p. I think he lost the hunger, and is now in it for the money and he doesn't have the fan base to demand the money he wants so he is obviously pricing himself out by demanding the money he is demanding for the Loma bout.

sorry for the race thing, but it is all to common just to say wat you said about him ducking and you provided no facts

prove to me lomo is an Aside, when did bc bob over pays you mean you are an Aside...

it's an even money fight..

if walters fought a pr on pr day parade in ny..it would ahve been packed..not bc of walters..but bc of verdejo and the pr he was fighting...same with lomo

TR is picking and choosing who to promote..and if htey are saying he lets shun walters for no reason...and boast lomo..that seems a little like promotional protection. and it doesnt look good on lomo.

LET THESE 2 A LEVEL FIGHTERS FIGHT IT OUT WITH EVEN MONEY CONTRACTS..

[tiliheels]

^This. The "duck" thing is ignorant. These guys do this to get... MONEY. Fans have a hard time understanding that. They think boxing is a video game and forget that it's a career in which you have a very narrow timeframe in which to make your life's savings. As a guy who works in an unstable field, I get that. You gotta get paid. I don't think Nick has the slightest fear of Loma and would likely wreck him. Whether he's greedy or not, or even making a wise decision is a fair game question but the duck accusation is another childish boxing fan game.

i would pay a small fee to see it on ppv if hbo acts like the cannot get walters his fair money..

now if hbo finds walters 850k like lomo..and walters says no..it is a duck..but walters should not get butt ****d while lomo gets paid and they are essentially the same level with the same type of fanfare

but if lomo says no he cant get even money as me and he starts looking at walters plate..then it is a ducking on lomo's part...and im afriad that is going to happen..

the low offer imo was lomo protecting himself or bob protecting him...and was a smack in the face.

[Lester Tutor]

It's called pricing yourself out and it is a way of ducking. Don't bring race into it, some of my favorite fighters are black and duckers exist in all races and countries. I believe Walters and Crawford, and Spence have what it takes to be HOF and maybe even ATG's but they have to prove it in the ring. Crawford was unlucky that Pac didn't chose him, but now with the Postol fight he has the chance to prove he is the best at 140. Spence is on his way, and can take his time because he is starting. Walters however already had the chance to put his name in the map with the Donaire win and after that he seems to have become complacent, doesn't bother to make weight, and ducks a guy that could cement him in the p4p. I think he lost the hunger, and is now in it for the money and he doesn't have the fan base to demand the money he wants so he is obviously pricing himself out by demanding the money he is demanding for the Loma bout.

Cute theory, but reality supersedes erroneous thought. The fact of the matter is HBO had Walters the B side in an unfair split and favoring Loma as the A side. That is fact. People can spin things out of context and act like asking for more by first being insulted in initial splits became Walters fault because he didn't earn the right to bold his rights as a professional? Vs a 6 fight resume opponet... "men don't bend backwards for such phaggotry" -Bilbo

[tiliheels]

Cute theory, but reality supersedes erroneous thought. The fact of the matter is HBO had Walters the B side in an unfair split and favoring Loma as the A side. That is fact. People can spin things out of context and act like asking for more by first being insulted in initial splits became Walters fault because he didn't earn the right to bold his rights as a professional? Vs a 6 fight resume opponet... "men don't bend backwards for such phaggotry" -Bilbo

very honest comment..walters should have the right to be strongly promoted just like lomo..outgrowing a weight class is nothing u punish a man for..the sactioning body does that by stripping him...nothing else is need he moves up and keeps his career going..and nick has not lost..still a top p4p guy..or in the mix to become a p4p guy...and lomo could be right there as well, but i will not boast him therejust bc he fights rocky martinez's of the world

[Redd Foxx]

i would pay a small fee to see it on ppv if hbo acts like the cannot get walters his fair money..

now if hbo finds walters 850k like lomo..and walters says no..it is a duck..but walters should not get butt ****d while lomo gets paid and they are essentially the same level with the same type of fanfare

but if lomo says no he cant get even money as me and he starts looking at walters plate..then it is a ducking on lomo's part...and im afriad that is going to happen..

the low offer imo was lomo protecting himself or bob protecting him...and was a smack in the face.

Agreed, on all counts. I respect the guys who know their value. That was instilled in me long ago by a musician who mentored me.

I am really into the idea of $25 PPVs. I almost never pay for events anymore because it's ridiculous to fork $60 for 1 good fight. It's not even a matter of affording it, it's just the insult of them asking for that much for events that aren't truly special. Walters/Loma and Postol/Crawford should either be on the same card to justify a typical PPV price, or they should be $25ea. To be fking honest, they should be FREE and on network TV but that's another argument for another thread...

[LomaUsykKlichko]

Hopefully Loma Fights at least two of those names this year.