Floys best win over a prime ATG..

[1g5a22]

Qawi made his name at 175 and was no all time great crusierweight

he fought an awesome fight vs a young holyfield


his only good wins there are Piet Crous and Leon Spinks

he lost to holyfield twice, ossie ocasio right after losing the first fight to Holyfield. Lost 7 fights after that at heavy and cruiser

he was washed up after that first fight with holyfield.

Do you know I'll give you that..

But Moorer & Bowe?

[therealpugilist]

You really need to specify your definition of an ATG. You seem to be a bit fast and loose with the definition.

mighty loose....Qawi was washed up and lost most of his big fights at 190 and up


dude just tried to make a point and looks foolish

he doesnt know how rare it is for 2 prime atg to fight


with all the fighters and weight classes, it may happen 5 times or less in a decade.

[DreamerUSA]

I think its easy to distinguish from an ATG to a non ATG..

My OP is asking for one PRIME ATG fighter Floyd beat?

Well considering you think Bowe and Moorer are ATGs, of anykind, leads me to believe you have a hard time with the distinction.

[1g5a22]

he is definitely hall of fame material and has a better resume and more exciting fights than some already in.

So why mention him? You talk of reading comprehension yet my OP clearly asked for one PRIME ATG fighter Floyd beat? You cite Castillo & go on to say he isn't an ATG..


Reading is fundamental and COMPREHENSION is essential idiot.

[1g5a22]

Well considering you think Bowe and Moorer are ATGs, of anykind, leads me to believe you have a hard time with the distinction.

Yes I think both are ATG fighters. I also think both were prime..

One PRIME ATG fighter Floyd beat?

[therealpugilist]

Do you know I'll give you that..

But Moorer & Bowe?

neither of those guys are ATG...do you even know the meaning of the term

Bowe's claim to fame is beating Holyfield and the rest of his opponents ever never wases or washed up former contenders and titlist

Moorer was an underachiever....ate his way to heavyweight and wasnt always dedicated. no small feat to win the wbo at 175 and undisputed at heavy but he was no atg either

neither guy defeated the competition or had the dominance required for atg status


an all time great is a fighter who could compete and be successful in any era, and it is based off of having shown dominance, skill, in their own era.


I woudlnt say Corales would be the champ in any era but trust me at 130-135 he wouldve been cracking skulls. Besides the obvious guys like Duran, Camacho, Duran, Ike Williams Arguello, Azumah Nelson, there arent many id favor over him 130-135

[1g5a22]

pac was on roids 6-7 years ago, once he was off of them he was no longer that great.

Official failed test please?

[New England]

pac was on roids 6-7 years ago, once he was off of them he was no longer that great.

makes sense about pac being on roids back then considering roach did say his arm injury came in 2008 before the de la hoya fight then all of a sudden he moves up and starts busting guys up super bad. cottos face was worse after the pac fight then it was in the first margarito fight.

if mayweather was on the juice, you should take your proof to the NSAC so they can over rule the fight and they can do it again.

i swear, pac is the one fighter that according to his fans he is still undefeated. he didnt have his punchers gloves against morales lol, he was robbed with bradley both may and JMM were on roids lol, he first 2 losses he was malnourished.

this is why everyone makes fun of the pac-tards. to you guys oac is still undefeated. to everyone else marquez killed his career with an over hand right and mayweather exposed him as an amateur.

if you're saying manny juiced without as much support as we have that floyd juiced, you're a fangirl.

floyd was caught taking saline in a manner similar, if not identical, to the manner used to mask PEDS in cycling. IV saline and vitamins prior to a test [fighters are piss tested by the commission in the locker room after the fight.] this isn't a guy who cuts weight to get to welterweight, by his own admission. the diagnosis prior to the IV was dehydration, and there's verifying medical data supporting the effectiveness of drinking fluids versus taking them via IV if you're mildly to moderately dehydrated. unless floyd was cutting a ton of weight, or very sick [no verifying medical data that he was,] he had no need to take an IV. if you're mildly to moderately dehydrated you'll be directed to drink fluids and electrolytes by a doctor. it's more effective than an IV! you guys can do the research if you'd like.

manny's su****ious himself. he worked with alex ariza, who was later popped, and who is about as shady as any SNC coach in boxing not named memo.



if you suspect one of drugging wwhile completely dismissin the possiblity that the other was on drugs, you're a fanboy.


and if you don't think manny, who had been out cold against marquez, and whose style and matchmaking had him taking hard punches in vicotry and defeat for over a decade, wasn't further deteriorated than floyd you have no business evaluating a fighter's talents, skills, and their decline. manny wasn't a shadow of himself. floyd had slipped, as evidenced by the poor showing the in the first maidana fight, but he wasn't horribly deteriorated, the way manny was.

[therealpugilist]

So why mention him? You talk of reading comprehension yet my OP clearly asked for one PRIME ATG fighter Floyd beat? You cite Castillo & go on to say he isn't an ATG..


Reading is fundamental and COMPREHENSION is essential idiot.

i didnt mention chico or castillo, i commented after another poster did on him. bro you really need to take your time and read.


frankieclutch brought up corrales idiot

[New England]

neither of those guys are ATG...do you even know the meaning of the term

Bowe's claim to fame is beating Holyfield and the rest of his opponents ever never wases or washed up former contenders and titlist

Moorer was an underachiever....ate his way to heavyweight and wasnt always dedicated. no small feat to win the wbo at 175 and undisputed at heavy but he was no atg either

neither guy defeated the competition or had the dominance required for atg status


an all time great is a fighter who could compete and be successful in any era, and it is based off of having shown dominance, skill, in their own era.


I woudlnt say Corales would be the champ in any era but trust me at 130-135 he wouldve been cracking skulls. Besides the obvious guys like Duran, Camacho, Duran, Ike Williams Arguello, Azumah Nelson, there arent many id favor over him 130-135

so chico corrales is closer to an all time great than rid**** bowe, a guy who actually beat an all time great twice?