Comments Thread For: Vargas-Salido Brawl Averaged 833K Viewers on HBO, Peaks at 954K

[bigdunny1]

Danny Jacobs last fight on showtime against Fletcher to win the belt did 558K viewers. First fight back on Showtime a year later in 2015 against Quillin which was billed as a mega fight and Showtime even did a All Access show to follow the fighters did 386k. Showtime paid Jacobs and Quillin 1.5 mil EACH. 3 mil for the main event that did 386k less then HALF what Vargas Salid did for 250K combined. And less then what Jacobs did for Fletcher where he was paid NO WHERE near 1.5m.

[bigdunny1]

Peter Quillin last fight on Showtime did 622k against Konecny left to PBC came back against Danny Jacobs and did only 386K on Showtime.

What's also crazy is a lot of these guys were pulling ratings as undercards. Now coming back in bigger fights making bigger money as headliners but are drawing significantly less then they did before.

[285Kid]

Bey vs Barthlemey did 468k on Spike TV friday

^^ Those are not bad ratings , and Salido/Vargas rating is not bad

[Boxing Logic]

What else is there? There isn't much of a non-PBC comparison other than FNF.

Seeing as Al Haymon came from HBO and then Showtime, and how he's been paying HBO and Showtime type of purses, the comparison needs to be HBO or Showtime, except those networks have way less subscribers.

If a good number for HBO is 1 mil, let's say, and ESPN is in way more homes, then a good number on ESPN needs to be at least 3 mil. For a Beterbiev fight against a nobody, I'll be generous and say 2 mil, because even no name fights still get around 800k on HBO. ESPN is certainly in more than twice as many homes so 2 mil would have been good.

PBC is circling the drain at about 20% of what it should be doing.

Having said that lol, do I think they'll get a network deal? **** yeah! My theory this whole time is that Oscar and Al are secretly working together behind the scenes, splitting the profits. And the way they pulled this off is that Oscar hosted a fishnets party in Hollywood, and invited all the network execs, while Al dressed up as one of the hookers they hired and snuck cell phone picks of them all. That's why Steven Espinoza does everything Al wants. So in my opinion CBS already agreed to give PBC a network deal before this even started. There's no way Al just threw away 500 mil or whatever on awful fights with poor ratings if he didn't already know CBS was guaranteed to give it back. You can see they've already started doing this by subsiding PBC using Showtime's boxing budget. I don't see how that benefits Showtime to use their boxing budget on a brand that isn't exclusive to CBS, but also airs on Fox and so on, but if my fishnet pictures theory is true, that would explain it.

Being a little more serious now, my point is that Haymon's entire career in boxing has been predicated on what appears to be mass incompetence by every network exec he deals with, over and over. Now are these network execs really all incompetent, or does Haymon have pictures of them in fishnets? Ask yourself what is more likely.

No I'm just kidding. I actually don't believe any of those rumors about Haymon, and Oscar was photoed in fishnets once but everyone has embarrassing moments, and I still respect him as a fighter for the career he had. I'm actually going to try not to joke about it in the future because it's cruel to keep bringing it up and not let him move on with his life without being reminded of it all the time. All I'm saying is that Haymon's whole career as a boxing promoter has been about paying more money for worse fights. From the perspective of a network, it makes no sense to pay more for a worse product. It's like none of them have acted within their own interests, or the interests of the fans, since Haymon started. Well, except for HBO when they kicked him out, but before that they were subsidizing Haymon for no reason too.

So clearly Haymon has some sort of way of getting networks to pay for mismatches, and I expect that to continue, forever. But does that mean they aren't mismatches? No. They are mismatches. And does that mean that 394k is a good rating for ESPN? No, it doesn't. That's one of the worst boxing ratings I've ever seen.

[Boxing Logic]

What else is there? There isn't much of a non-PBC comparison other than FNF.

Wait...you mean HBO is still in the boxing business?

And what top fight has Haymon sent to HBO? Surely you don't mean the one-sided executions that he handed to Wade and Khan? If those mismatches qualify as "top fights," then our sport is dead.

Well now you've gone and admitted it BennyBlanco. All the Haymon fanboys like yourself were claiming that because Wade and Khan fought on HBO, that means certain HBO fighters were ducking Haymon fighters, and that Haymon lets his fighters fight on any network.

Now you admit the truth, which every objective boxing fan was telling the Haymon fanboys the whole time. Haymon only let fighters he doesn't care about or doesn't have better options for, like Wade or Khan, go to HBO. We still haven't seen any of his top fighters, if he even has any left (there's not a single PBC fighter in the top 10 pound for pound right now), fight on HBO.

So I hope you're consistent in the future BennyBlanco. When people try to argue Haymon will let his "top" fighters on HBO, you tell them, no, he only lets his C fighters on HBO, but still encourages his "top" fighters to duck all the best top 10 pound for pound fighters who fight on HBO.

[Boxing Logic]

Good numbers on this fight. Especially since these guys are not named Canelo, GGG, Kovalev, Crawford, or Ward. HBO's top 5 guys.

Both guys will hopefully get fights on HBO before the end of the year.

What are you smoking? These are terrible ratings lmao. And Beterbiev already had a chance to fight on HBO, was offered his first shot at the title, said he would take it, and then ducked it completely. He was even offered a homecoming fight on HBO to go to Russia to fight Russia to fight Kovalev but ducked it. Just like Stevenson. Every time an above average Haymon fighter gets offered a fight on HBO, they duck. They must know that jumping all the way from the double-A ball to the majors is a recipe for getting embarrassed like Gary Russell jr. against Lomachenko, which only happened because Russell was a lower division fighter who wasn't a big draw, because of a purse bid, and because Lomachenko had already lost to Salido so Haymon wrongly thought Russell would beat him. Maybe Haymon also wanted the publicity at that time creating PBC that he was actually willing to have his fighters fight the best now, for a change. We all know how long that lasted lol.

These ratings suck. Some of you it's like you're Haymon groupies or you're being paid by him. You just say things that make objective people shake their heads because they're not even close to being true, you just make it up because you feel better that way.

[Sweet Jones]

Seeing as Al Haymon came from HBO and then Showtime, and how he's been paying HBO and Showtime type of purses, the comparison needs to be HBO or Showtime, except those networks have way less subscribers.

If a good number for HBO is 1 mil, let's say, and ESPN is in way more homes, then a good number on ESPN needs to be at least 3 mil. For a Beterbiev fight against a nobody, I'll be generous and say 2 mil, because even no name fights still get around 800k on HBO. ESPN is certainly in more than twice as many homes so 2 mil would have been good.

PBC is circling the drain at about 20% of what it should be doing.

**SNIP**

According to this WSJ article, the NBA average 1.7 Mil viewers on ESPN this year. This number was actually UP 10% from last year.

Are you stating that it is your expectation that a Beterbiev fight on ESPN will average almost 15% MORE viewers than a NBA game and that a 'good number' for boxing on ESPN (3 million viewers) should be 75% more than the average NBA game?

Thanks in advance for your response.

[LOCOMEX89]

What are you smoking? These are terrible ratings lmao. And Beterbiev already had a chance to fight on HBO, was offered his first shot at the title, said he would take it, and then ducked it completely. He was even offered a homecoming fight on HBO to go to Russia to fight Russia to fight Kovalev but ducked it. Just like Stevenson. Every time an above average Haymon fighter gets offered a fight on HBO, they duck. They must know that jumping all the way from the double-A ball to the majors is a recipe for getting embarrassed like Gary Russell jr. against Lomachenko, which only happened because Russell was a lower division fighter who wasn't a big draw, because of a purse bid, and because Lomachenko had already lost to Salido so Haymon wrongly thought Russell would beat him. Maybe Haymon also wanted the publicity at that time creating PBC that he was actually willing to have his fighters fight the best now, for a change. We all know how long that lasted lol.

These ratings suck. Some of you it's like you're Haymon groupies or you're being paid by him. You just say things that make objective people shake their heads because they're not even close to being true, you just make it up because you feel better that way.

What are you smoking? I'm talking about Vargas and Salido not Haymon fighters. So......again what issues with these ratings?

[boliodogs]

It was the best fight I've seen this year and I try not to miss any decent pro fights available to me. I thought Salido won 7 rounds to 5 but some of the rounds were close or even so a draw is OK with me.

[RightJabLikeZab]

It's time for boxing to stop competing with each other. The sport is just gonna keep falling if promoters beef, networks schedule cards the same weekend and fighters don't fight the best in their weight class when the anticipation is at its peak. All of it is self sabotage and I'm not sure why we're ok with it.