Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach Rejects Idea of Khan Exposing Canelo's Flaws

[PensionKiller]

To a large degree he is right. There are no middle weights and few junior middleweights with Khan's hand speed. So essentially it was Khan's ability to hit and move for 4 rounds that gave him success. Alvarez chose to be patient and let the KO come to him instead of chasing it and risking gassing himself out.

Also, why do folks keep calling Khan the smaller man. He had height and reach advantages and bulked up into the 160s for the fight. Weighing more doesn't necessarily make you bigger.

Canelo is bigger.

If I see a 6 foot 6 guy who is 180 lbs and a 5 foot 10 guy who is 180lbs, I will probably say the 5 foot 10 guy is bigger. This is due to how stocky he is.

I would call the taller guy lanky.

Canelo is clearly the bigger guy naturally. Could he make 147?

[PensionKiller]

To a large degree he is right. There are no middle weights and few junior middleweights with Khan's hand speed. So essentially it was Khan's ability to hit and move for 4 rounds that gave him success. Alvarez chose to be patient and let the KO come to him instead of chasing it and risking gassing himself out.

Also, why do folks keep calling Khan the smaller man. He had height and reach advantages and bulked up into the 160s for the fight. Weighing more doesn't necessarily make you bigger.

Canelo is bigger.

If I see a 6 foot 6 guy who is 180 lbs and a 5 foot 10 guy who is 180lbs, I will probably say the 5 foot 10 guy is bigger. This is due to how stocky he is.

I would call the taller guy lanky.

Canelo is clearly the bigger guy naturally. Could he make 147?

[petegrif]

When we talk about how 'big' a guy is there are many dimensions. But one of the most important is the fighter's lean muscle mass. A fighter can 'bulk up' after the weigh in but he can't put on lean muscle. Fighters can weigh the same at weigh in and have very different amounts of lean muscle. IMHO what makes Canelo a menace is that at 155, or whatever Caneloweight he chooses to fight at, when he hits the scales he is right down to skin bone and lean muscle. That is why he can rehydrate so much. Lean muscle takes a long time to build. A REALLY long time. A guy like Kahn simply can't put on that much muscle naturally in the time he had. It is precisely because a trained athlete working on nothing other than putting on muscle takes so long to put on muscle (eg natural bodybuilders can only put on 14-20 pounds a year depending on genetics) that PEDs are so common. If you want to put on lean muscle FAST there is no other way. So if someone like Kahn steps up 8 pounds he doesn't have time in training camp to put on that much muscle even if he was doing nothing at all other than train to put on muscle - and of course that isn't how boxers train. So when Kahn comes in at 155 people assume that because he's 'made weight' that his body composition is the same as Canelo - but it isn't. Kahn doesn't have to drain down to lean muscle skin and bone to make 155 - he just drains down enough to make weight. But when they rehydrate Canelo's body composition will result in a higher body weight with substantially more lean muscle. So when we talk about how 'big' a guy is a really important dimension is their lean muscle mass. On this critical dimension Canelo was a lot bigger than Kahn.

[Fidel456]

He's wrong--It showed Canelo is susceptible to fast combination punching, particularly the straight right followed by a double jab.

If Canelo didn't land that bomb, who knows how long it would have taken to set another one up?

When the hell did land a right followed by a double jab?

[NearHypnos]

Canelo was exposed by Floyd, and Erislandy Lara exposed the same flaws again. Khan was just trying to follow the blueprint but he doesn't have the same Ring IQ and chin as Mayweather and Lara.

How did Canelo get exposed by Mayweather? Floyd was the favorite...

If it takes Floyd to "expose" you then it's not exactly "exposing". The favored fighter beat the younger fighter who was dumb enough to think he could out Mayweather Floyd.

Lara fought differently than Floyd..significantly so. He also lost and refused to engage for minutes at a time. Lara exposed himself in that fight not the other way around in that he won't chase the victory.

Khan won the first two rounds..3 if youre super generous. Got brutalized and outlanded otherwise...and stopped in the 5th. It's not like he was Sergio vs Jcc Jr where he was doninating an entire fight then suddenly gets caught and loses in the 12th (Sergio didnt but thats how people act Khan was doing). If I'm in a 12 rounder and I'm exposed for only two rounds and stop you in the 5th it makes you wonder what was exposed when I'm the bigger stronger guy and outlanded you. :/


People need to give more credit to Floyd and stop acting like he's at the level of "exposing" fighters. He's a genius.

Exposing would be like Rios vs Abril where the bigger, more favored, more famous fighter has to win via disgusting robbery who goes on to losing EVERY fight against a guy who decides to box him. Losing to Mayweather is no shame..he's an atg type guy. You'd be hard pressed to find many 22-23 year olds who'd beat Floyd throughout history. Give Floyd some credit.


There's also the fact there's not a single fighter who even has the footwork of Lara or Floyd from 154-160. :/... So unless he's fighting Lara I doubt we see any fleet of foot guys who want to stay away from Canelo.


Canelo's main issue will be his height/reach against some guys. Floyd had a longer reach and that helped him a lot. Even Lara to an extent "benefitted" from his long arms. Some of the bigger and taller MWs will give Canelo issues in that he will have a harder time countering jabs which he's really effective with against similar sized guys. Fortunately for him he's got faster reflexes than probably the entire Mw division and probably the fastest hands at mw with MAYBE only a guy or two who could be faster or at least just as fast...but he will have issues vs reach I feel. I think Murray would have given him issues infront with his arms up and giving simple one twos from range.. Outside of power Lemieux is too ******ed to defend a jab. Hassan Ndam could potentially make Canelo look bad in long spots. Danny Jacobs too. Unfortunately for all three of the aformentioned (less so Lemieux) their chins don't hold up and have a knack for being countered.

Canelo is going to be challenged at MW..at 154 I dont think anyone has anything to offer...though the more I see Liam the more I seem to like his work. Too bad it's against scrubs but I love his uppers and body work. Good fight imo if we don't get GGG and it'll tell us a bit more about Canelo depending on how he handles the shots..providing that Liam is as good as he seems so far. He's got a little swag to him he won't run from Canelo. I thought the Charlo brothers were better than when we last saw so they dont seem near ready... Liam is intriguing

[HeroBando]

How did Canelo get exposed by Mayweather? Floyd was the favorite...

If it takes Floyd to "expose" you then it's not exactly "exposing". The favored fighter beat the younger fighter who was dumb enough to think he could out Mayweather Floyd.

Lara fought differently than Floyd..significantly so. He also lost and refused to engage for minutes at a time. Lara exposed himself in that fight not the other way around in that he won't chase the victory.

Khan won the first two rounds..3 if youre super generous. Got brutalized and outlanded otherwise...and stopped in the 5th. It's not like he was Sergio vs Jcc Jr where he was doninating an entire fight then suddenly gets caught and loses in the 12th (Sergio didnt but thats how people act Khan was doing). If I'm in a 12 rounder and I'm exposed for only two rounds and stop you in the 5th it makes you wonder what was exposed when I'm the bigger stronger guy and outlanded you. :/


People need to give more credit to Floyd and stop acting like he's at the level of "exposing" fighters. He's a genius.

Exposing would be like Rios vs Abril where the bigger, more favored, more famous fighter has to win via disgusting robbery who goes on to losing EVERY fight against a guy who decides to box him. Losing to Mayweather is no shame..he's an atg type guy. You'd be hard pressed to find many 22-23 year olds who'd beat Floyd throughout history. Give Floyd some credit.


There's also the fact there's not a single fighter who even has the footwork of Lara or Floyd from 154-160. :/... So unless he's fighting Lara I doubt we see any fleet of foot guys who want to stay away from Canelo.


Canelo's main issue will be his height/reach against some guys. Floyd had a longer reach and that helped him a lot. Even Lara to an extent "benefitted" from his long arms. Some of the bigger and taller MWs will give Canelo issues in that he will have a harder time countering jabs which he's really effective with against similar sized guys. Fortunately for him he's got faster reflexes than probably the entire Mw division and probably the fastest hands at mw with MAYBE only a guy or two who could be faster or at least just as fast...but he will have issues vs reach I feel. I think Murray would have given him issues infront with his arms up and giving simple one twos from range.. Outside of power Lemieux is too ******ed to defend a jab. Hassan Ndam could potentially make Canelo look bad in long spots. Danny Jacobs too. Unfortunately for all three of the aformentioned (less so Lemieux) their chins don't hold up and have a knack for being countered.

Canelo is going to be challenged at MW..at 154 I dont think anyone has anything to offer...though the more I see Liam the more I seem to like his work. Too bad it's against scrubs but I love his uppers and body work. Good fight imo if we don't get GGG and it'll tell us a bit more about Canelo depending on how he handles the shots..providing that Liam is as good as he seems so far. He's got a little swag to him he won't run from Canelo. I thought the Charlo brothers were better than when we last saw so they dont seem near ready... Liam is intriguing

Canelo was exposed by Floyd, he was just pathetic. Didnt win any rounds, at times got walked down by the much smaller guy. Even Guerrero outperformed him while coming in 10lbs+ lighter

[Bronx2245]

How did Canelo get exposed by Mayweather? Floyd was the favorite...

If it takes Floyd to "expose" you then it's not exactly "exposing". The favored fighter beat the younger fighter who was dumb enough to think he could out Mayweather Floyd.

Lara fought differently than Floyd..significantly so. He also lost and refused to engage for minutes at a time. Lara exposed himself in that fight not the other way around in that he won't chase the victory.

Khan won the first two rounds..3 if youre super generous. Got brutalized and outlanded otherwise...and stopped in the 5th. It's not like he was Sergio vs Jcc Jr where he was doninating an entire fight then suddenly gets caught and loses in the 12th (Sergio didnt but thats how people act Khan was doing). If I'm in a 12 rounder and I'm exposed for only two rounds and stop you in the 5th it makes you wonder what was exposed when I'm the bigger stronger guy and outlanded you. :/


People need to give more credit to Floyd and stop acting like he's at the level of "exposing" fighters. He's a genius.

Exposing would be like Rios vs Abril where the bigger, more favored, more famous fighter has to win via disgusting robbery who goes on to losing EVERY fight against a guy who decides to box him. Losing to Mayweather is no shame..he's an atg type guy. You'd be hard pressed to find many 22-23 year olds who'd beat Floyd throughout history. Give Floyd some credit.


There's also the fact there's not a single fighter who even has the footwork of Lara or Floyd from 154-160. :/... So unless he's fighting Lara I doubt we see any fleet of foot guys who want to stay away from Canelo.


Canelo's main issue will be his height/reach against some guys. Floyd had a longer reach and that helped him a lot. Even Lara to an extent "benefitted" from his long arms. Some of the bigger and taller MWs will give Canelo issues in that he will have a harder time countering jabs which he's really effective with against similar sized guys. Fortunately for him he's got faster reflexes than probably the entire Mw division and probably the fastest hands at mw with MAYBE only a guy or two who could be faster or at least just as fast...but he will have issues vs reach I feel. I think Murray would have given him issues infront with his arms up and giving simple one twos from range.. Outside of power Lemieux is too ******ed to defend a jab. Hassan Ndam could potentially make Canelo look bad in long spots. Danny Jacobs too. Unfortunately for all three of the aformentioned (less so Lemieux) their chins don't hold up and have a knack for being countered.

Canelo is going to be challenged at MW..at 154 I dont think anyone has anything to offer...though the more I see Liam the more I seem to like his work. Too bad it's against scrubs but I love his uppers and body work. Good fight imo if we don't get GGG and it'll tell us a bit more about Canelo depending on how he handles the shots..providing that Liam is as good as he seems so far. He's got a little swag to him he won't run from Canelo. I thought the Charlo brothers were better than when we last saw so they dont seem near ready... Liam is intriguing

Floyd provided a blueprint, Lara used it (I had it a draw), and Khan was successful for at least 3-4 rounds. I haven't seen Liam, but I think the Charlo Bros. and Andrade. would give Canelo a good fight @ 154!

[JUNIABOY]

About 30 seconds to 1 minute. He had been setting it up, and khan ring IQ isn't good enough to pick that up.



Weighing more exactly makes you bigger, in boxing terms. We don't have height or length divisions, they are weight division.

If you are a 160 fighter whose fighting a guy from 147, and have 15-20 pounds on him when the fights starts, you're a bigger guy. Hence why everyone is calling khan smaller.

Of Canelo and GGG, Canelo has longer reach and weighs more. GGG is taller. That's why anyone who claims Canelo is smaller than GGG is wrong, he's just shorter than GGG.

Couldn't have said it better myself. How many boxers over the years were taller than Mike Tyson?...but how many of em were heavyweights?

[REYESdelBOXEO]

Wrong ,

About 30 seconds to 1 minute. He had been setting it up, and khan ring IQ isn't good enough to pick that up.



Weighing more exactly makes you bigger, in boxing terms. We don't have height or length divisions, they are weight division.

If you are a 160 fighter whose fighting a guy from 147, and have 15-20 pounds on him when the fights starts, you're a bigger guy. Hence why everyone is calling khan smaller.

Of Canelo and GGG, Canelo has longer reach and weighs more. GGG is taller. That's why anyone who claims Canelo is smaller than GGG is wrong, he's just shorter than GGG.

Your wrong, golovkin has fought his entire career at 160 pounds , while CANELO has never fought above 155 pounds , and since in boxing we go by weigh in weight , and not fight night weight, its obvious that golovkin is the bigger guy , therefore a catchweight of 155 pounds makes perfect sense , and when CANELO makes the fight happen ,he will school golovkin then knock him out cold in spectacular highlight reel fashion
CANELO CORLEONE THE YOUNG DON, A MADE MAN

[Citizen Koba]

Wrong ,



Your wrong, golovkin has fought his entire career at 160 pounds , while CANELO has never fought above 155 pounds , and since in boxing we go by weigh in weight , and not fight night weight, its obvious that golovkin is the bigger guy , therefore a catchweight of 155 pounds makes perfect sense , and when CANELO makes the fight happen ,he will school golovkin then knock him out cold in spectacular highlight reel fashion
CANELO CORLEONE THE YOUNG DON, A MADE MAN

Without entering into a debate about your opinions on how the fight would go and ignoring the fact that no less than 3 160lb titles would have been on the line, surely the point of a catchweight is that it should be a middle ground - usually so that 2 fighters from different divisions can meet without either having a significant size advantage. In this context even if one accepts that Canelo is essentially a JMW who can't quite make the cut, the 'middle ground' would be about 157-8.

Quite aside from which the point is moot. The information we have seems to indicate that there was no offer for 155 or any other weight from GBP.