Comments Thread For: WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman clarifies Wilder-Povetkin situation

[Tomjas]

Simple

When Povetkin comes back after his 4 year ban, he can fight again

/thread, move on as there is nothing more to see here

[vaborikua2014]

They have to do something even if he's clean and the meldonium micro traces are from ingestion back when it was legal?

Right now it's looking like Povetkin's side were the ones telling the truth about the status of the fight. If they were also telling the truth about the meldonium quantity (70 nanograms) then Povetkin is considered clean according to WADA protocol since anything under 1 milliliter is considered a trace remnant and too small for a recent dosage (15 milliliters before march 1).

I understand who Wilder's fanbase are and that they will want Povetkin suspended no matter what the result of the investigation is, but hopefully the WBC is a bit more sane.

How are they telling the truth? Prior to the 27th he had 3 test that all came out clean. How do some come out clean abd the other after dirty? It makes no sense to me.

[Tomjas]

How are they telling the truth? Prior to the 27th he had 3 test that all came out clean. How do some come out clean abd the other after dirty? It makes no sense to me.

Made no sense to the 172 other athletes caught with it in their system either ha ha

It's institutionalized doping and Povetkin is just another pawn

**** him and the rest of the cheats in their system!

[hitking]

I have a feeling that the commentary around here would be a lot different if Wilder had tested positive for PEDs. And Al Haymon was running around bump'n his d1ck-lick like Povetkin's promoted is doing.

[Boxfan83]

They have to do something even if it's just a 90 - 120 day suspension. I think Povetkin should lose his number one contender status and after the suspension is lifted he should have to fight stiverne to determine the number one contender of that division

As a Wilder fan I consider that fair. Other fighters have popped for far worse and had much more lenient or about the same kinda sentence. I think the only time a long sentence for PED's should be taken is if the fighters actually fought. The only messed up part is Wilder doesnt get paid but that can be settled in court outside of boxing. I just hope for Wilder he gets another chance to prove himself from the naysayers.

[BennyBlanco]

They have to do something even if he's clean and the meldonium micro traces are from ingestion back when it was legal?

Right now it's looking like Povetkin's side were the ones telling the truth about the status of the fight. If they were also telling the truth about the meldonium quantity (70 nanograms) then Povetkin is considered clean according to WADA protocol since anything under 1 milliliter is considered a trace remnant and too small for a recent dosage (15 milliliters before march 1).

That's absolutely incorrect.

To quote WADA, "The mere presence of meldonium in an athlete’s sample collected on or after 1 January 2016 constitutes an anti-doping rule violation under article 2.1 of the Code." https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....-notice-en.pdf

In cases where the level of meldonium is low, then depending on the date of the test, WADA has the discretion to determine that the positive test was the result of ingesting meldonium before it was banned (i.e., before 1/1/16).

HOWEVER, in Povetkin's case, the fact that there were three negative tests before the positive test means that there is no possibility that the test was the result of ingesting meldonium before it was banned, because if it was left over traces from 2015 doses of meldonium, then the early samples would have tested positive too.

In other words, in no one's eyes is Povetkin "clean."

[Ake-Dawg]

They have to do something even if he's clean and the meldonium micro traces are from ingestion back when it was legal?

Right now it's looking like Povetkin's side were the ones telling the truth about the status of the fight. If they were also telling the truth about the meldonium quantity (70 nanograms) then Povetkin is considered clean according to WADA protocol since anything under 1 milliliter is considered a trace remnant and too small for a recent dosage (15 milliliters before march 1).

I understand who Wilder's fanbase are and that they will want Povetkin suspended no matter what the result of the investigation is, but hopefully the WBC is a bit more sane.

So what do you make of the 3 clean tests prior to the April 27th positive test? What do you think the WBC will do? I see no way they handle this without a suspension with out of competition tests to keep his mandatory status.

[Y0@NN]

HOWEVER, in Povetkin's case, the fact that there were three negative tests before the positive test means that there is no possibility that the test was the result of ingesting meldonium before it was banned, because if it was left over traces from 2015 doses of meldonium, then the early samples would have tested positive too.

In other words, in no one's eyes is Povetkin "clean."

You seem to know more than wada themselves:

"In the case of meldonium, there is currently a lack of clear scientific information on excretion times".
-WADA meldonium notice, 4-11-16

— Maxwell Baer (@MaxwellBear1) 1 juin 2016

And what would be the point of microdosing after the first tests, other than taking the chance of it appearing in the next test result?

[Ake-Dawg]

April 11th-Clean Test
April 27th-Positive Test (both samples)
May 17th-Negative Test

This is not related to excretion times (the length of time it takes for the meldonium to leave a person's system). This is about the validity of the positive test. What is the scientific explanation for why he would test negative multiple times, positive and then negative again.

As far as microdosing I don't put that past any athlete looking for an advantage.

[Y0@NN]

As far as microdosing I don't put that past any athlete looking for an advantage.

0.07 % of wada's authorized limit must be some serious boost.