Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[Zaroku]

Marquez really won 2nd nad 3rd though...

I believe this too. The 4th Manny won, by knocking himself out so Floyd would fight him.

They actually believe crazy stuff like this. It is so funny!

Floyd ruined lives. Marquez shocked them, but, the were able to lie to themselves and only a few people in the Philippines died of heart attacks.

Floyd beating PAC caused two t@rds to commit suicide.

[Zaroku]

I paid special attention and still did not see anything that Manny did was wrong. Unless you have a picture of Manny doing what he was not supposed to do, YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!!

You think that Manny did it the wrong way. WHY??????
I can present to you a video of Manny who was swimming but guess what? There was nothing wrong with what he did, right? Now we BOTH do not know exactly what he did but whatever he did, it helped him.
Even Teddy Atlas believes!!!

Manny said he did self rehab. You know what that means? He was doing rehab that complimented his injury not something that would put him back under the knife. How do I know? Because he came back 1 year later and beat Bradley.


Full thickness tear: I gave you enough examples of people who said they recovered earlier than expected and or sooner than you keep on telling us is the case. Reason is like I told you. Not everyone heals at the same rate and not every injury is the same. If Manny would have said what others have said, you would have called all of them liars. Go check out studies that prove my point. I already gave you examples that were captured in studies. Someone with a larger tear can sometimes heal quicker than someone with a smaller tear. You cannot do what you did. You started wrong in your assessment. I do not blame you because you are no expert but its still the case.

What Manny did was all possible. I only read Floyd internet doctors say differently. That's it.

Teddy atlas is now a medical authority. C'mon man.

[ADP02]

You just don't get it, do you?

1. YOU are picking and choosing. This is what he said:
"No problem, I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."

So was he lying? Yes or no? Asked you plenty of times, but you won't answer.

2. It's you that doesn't understand the timeline. I told you to look at the websites I sent you. I even told you that it was initially reported that he would be rehabbing 4-6 months. That is NOT out of the ordinary!

Manny Pacquiao will undergo surgery on his right shoulder for a rotator cuff tear this week on LA and be out 4-6 months, his advisor reports

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2453917-manny-pacquiao-injury-update-pac-man-to-undergo-surgery-for-tear-in-shoulder

The thing is, that does NOT account for swimming well before that time. It also doesn't account for hoisting up 3 pointers at 3 months. Look at what the surgeon said himself:

"Our goals for this early phase are for the repair to settle and to avoid damaging the suture tendon portion of the repair. We are allowing early motion, but not enough to stress the repair. Range of motion (ROM) is limited over the first 6 weeks; then we go for full ROM and begin strengthening at about 12 weeks. I will allow him to begin training in 6 months and he should be able to compete in 9-12 months.”

Begin strengthening at 3 months. Emphasis on begin! How was he saying he is healed and hoisting 3's? How was he swimming. Yes, Swimming. According to his own damn mouth. He said it's all he did.

Do you understand now? Good. Now drop it!

Manny was supposed to go see the doctor and PT. There were concerns that not going to LA to do it would be a bad thing .....

Manny said he did "self-rehab". Meaning that he did his own thing and did not go see a PT.

Basketball:
1) Manny shoots left handed not with his right which was the one that was injured.
2) Manny says that playing basketball also helps him with his boxing as its his "cross training" but Manny didn't bring up in that quote/article you posted in that he started throwing hoops. Kevin Love did bring it up. So if Manny didn't bring it up, according to you, it never happened.

Swimming: If done right, Manny can be in water. I showed you proof of that. Studies are out there too that its possible.
So AGAIN, you need to prove to us which ones he did that you say are impossible to do. Your speculation does not even hold up here except for some other Floyd internet doctors. Could you imagine going to court with your statement? You have NOTHING! ZIPPO! ZILCH! and you know it . Again, pretend its Floyd you would be calling me delusional or ****** for having nothing but now you have nothing and are still calling me names. Pretty crazy stuff man!

Proof: Remember how you started all this? You said that lots of things were not possible but I showed you several studies, people and so on where the person came back or began an activity or had strength and ROM equal to the uninjured arm. This is all that is required to shoot you down. There is nothing that I have seen that Manny did that was impossible.
As pointed already, with Floyd you wanted more than the 80-90% information that was out there. You wanted all 100% or else, you said its all speculation. The same Travestny is doing double talk here with a lot less information.

Manny healed: I have pointed out that there are others who said the same. Did they all lie? Some were from studies. Are the studies all lies? Remember that its a statement of how Manny was feeling about the progression. Manny can raise his arm and do other activities with no pain. For him, that meant healed.
BUT around 1.5 months later, once he got professional opinion that included an MRI ...., he then said 80-90% healed.

1) We are allowing early motion, but not enough to stress the repair. (May)
2) Range of motion (ROM) is limited over the first 6 weeks; (May-early June)
3) then we go for full ROM and (mid June)
4) begin strengthening at about 12 weeks. (2nd half of July)
5) I will allow him to begin training in 6 months and (November)
6) he should be able to compete in 9-12 months.” (February-end of April, 2016)

What was impossible? Please show us what you have?
Manny started training and had his fight with Bradley within the doctor's timeline. Still, as pointed out, there have been reports/studies that show that someone can do certain activities much sooner. This includes the activity that sidelined the person.

[ADP02]

Teddy atlas is now a medical authority. C'mon man.

In the threads that have been posted, I did not read anyone say that they are an expert on the subject yet we have lots of Floyd internet doctors. Funny is that they start by saying that you cannot do this and that with a tear and then I present them Floyd vs Castillo where Floyd used as an excuse that he had a torn rotator cuff injury and then they (Floyd fans) say "This thread is not about Floyd" or "Why bring that up? That was a long time ago"


The point made about Teddy is that he was one of Manny's worst critics. Perhaps only Paulie Malignaggi is worse. So he found nothing wrong and as I pointed already, all we have are a few Floyd fans speculating some quotes made.

They (Floyd fans) said that Manny would be back in 2015. It did not happen.

Floyd vs Castillo 1 - April 20, 2002
Surgery April 2?
Talks about a rematch for August 7, 2002 (initial date) had to be in May and finalized in June.
The same guy who started the thread concerning Manny, Travestyny, said that even with surgery, he finds nothing impossible about Floyd's timeline!!!

[Zaroku]

In the threads that have been posted, I did not read anyone say that they are an expert on the subject yet we have lots of Floyd internet doctors. Funny is that they start by saying that you cannot do this and that with a tear and then I present them Floyd vs Castillo where Floyd used as an excuse that he had a torn rotator cuff injury and then they (Floyd fans) say "This thread is not about Floyd" or "Why bring that up? That was a long time ago"


The point made about Teddy is that he was one of Manny's worst critics. Perhaps only Paulie Malignaggi is worse. So he found nothing wrong and as I pointed already, all we have are a few Floyd fans speculating some quotes made.

They (Floyd fans) said that Manny would be back in 2015. It did not happen.

Floyd vs Castillo 1 - April 20, 2002
Surgery April 2?
Talks about a rematch for August 7, 2002 (initial date) had to be in May and finalized in June.
The same guy who started the thread concerning Manny, Travestyny, said that even with surgery, he finds nothing impossible about Floyd's timeline!!!

I never quote Paulie, or Atlas, about a fight they have no first hand knowledge of.

I may quote Roach, Atlas, and Nacho in relation to PAC, but not in fights they were not apart of.

Floyd was a punk for bringing up his injury.

But, Floyd did mention it during the fight.

In comparison ... PAC.... Only mentioned it at the post fight press conference.

By the Way, **** Floyd, PAC, JMM and idiots who don't know the fix is in.

[Dosumpthin]

As pointed already, with Floyd you wanted more than the 80-90% information that was out there. You wanted all 100% or else, you said its all speculation. The same Travestny is doing double talk here with a lot less information.

Let me interject.

The issue is not about knowing "all 100%" before offering an opinion as you claim. It's impossible for outsiders to gain the true motive behind people's actions, so knowing "100% of all the information out there" is not necessary to form a sound opinion.


The real issue is the opinions that you do offer is not based on 100% facts. This is completely different. And it's normal for people to offer misinformed opinions not matter their level of expertise. Sometimes you get wrong information.

What makes you stand out vs other posters is that it has been proven you offer these misinformed opinions REPEATEDLY AND INTENTIONALLY.


Misinformed opinions not based on 100% facts but opinions that contain speculation, rumors and lies. Whenever your opinion has been challenged for having incorrect or misleading statements, you go so far as to intentionally disregard factual information to support your stance.



example:

You stated Floyd's iv use was against Wada rules because a tue was obtained retroactively.

You were shown sections within WADA ISTUE document that proved the statement in which you based your opinion to be wrong.

Did you accept this fact? NO. You denied the meaning and significance of the word "or" , thus denying WADA ISTUE document - disregarding factual information - in order to uphold your originally misinformed opinion and said "floyd fans will have you believe or is an or is an or".


So it's no surprise that you continue your shenanigans despite being proven wrong on numerous occasions regarding mannys injury. Just stop acting like you aren't being biased.

[travestyny]

Manny was supposed to go see the doctor and PT. There were concerns that not going to LA to do it would be a bad thing .....

Manny said he did "self-rehab". Meaning that he did his own thing and did not go see a PT.

Exactly. So his form of physical therapy was....swimming in the ocean? Let me make this real easy, since you are struggling to understand.

1. What do these statements mean? I really want you to answer. Stop ducking it and answer.

A. I never did rehab.
B. ALL I DID was to SWIM in the OCEAN.

Now, to the normal rational person, that means....he didn't do rehab. All he did was swim. Why is it that, for you, this means he did rehab and he did other things besides swim in the ocean? lol. Ridiculous, bro. You can't twist this up, but it's hysterical that you've been trying.

Basketball:
1) Manny shoots left handed not with his right which was the one that was injured.
2) Manny says that playing basketball also helps him with his boxing as its his "cross training" but Manny didn't bring up in that quote/article you posted in that he started throwing hoops. Kevin Love did bring it up. So if Manny didn't bring it up, according to you, it never happened.

Already shut this down, but allow me to do so once again just to remind you:
Why was it stated that it didn't matter that Carmelo's injured shoulder was on his non-dominant side?

While the injury was on his nondominant side, both arms are necessary to the smooth flow of the shot.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1649300-will-carmelo-anthony-need-shoulder-surgery-and-what-would-rehab-be

Seems like it's being explained that both arms are used in shooting a damn ball, right? The reason is because it involves moving your arm over your head and using force, especially Manny with his terrible form and with it being obvious that he involved both arms in the actually shot.

Now, you wanted to say that Carmelo had a different injury. Ok. He had a torn labrum. I told you to go do some research on labrum injuries. Did you ever do it? If you did, you'd know it's in effect the same type of injury as tearing a rotator cuff muscle. It is the ring of soft tissue around the shoulder joint. It's even referred to as rotator cuff surgery, when not being specific. It provides the same damn problems when torn. Don't believe me?

The symptoms of a tear in the shoulder socket rim are very similar to those of other shoulder injuries. Symptoms include

Pain, usually with overhead activities
Catching, locking, popping, or grinding
Occasional night pain or pain with daily activities
A sense of instability in the shoulder
Decreased range of motion
Loss of strength

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00426

In fact, the injuries are so similar that people assumed it's what Manny had. Don't believe me?:

Mayweather says media "overhyped" Pacquiao??? Tore labrum month before fight! Needed surgery day after! Floyd was SO LUCKY. Scared again. — Skip Bayless

https://twitter.com/realskipbayless/status/630078783433875461

Manny Pacquiao Next Fight: Salt Water Has Healed His Torn Labrum

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/45591/20150824/manny-pacquiao-next-fight-salt-water-has-healed-his-torn-labrum-amir-khan-discussions-will-happen-soon-video.htm

He thinks this whole Manny Pacquiao torn labrum saga is being fabricated — or at least exaggerated — in order to drum up interest in a rematch. —Referring to Colin Cowherd

http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/colin-cowherd-pacquiaos-shoulder-injury-narrative-is-a-sales-pitch-for-mayweather-pacquiao-2/

Pacquiao is also coming off a torn labrum, exacerbated against Mayweather.

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20160119/whicker-pacquiao-may-or-may-not-retire-after-april-bout-but-his-legacy-is-clear

So much for your "it's not what Manny had" excuse. Technically you are very right. But when it comes down to the effect...sorry. You lose. So as you can see, it doesn't matter that he is left handed when shooting muth****in 3's at 3 months from surgery. Got it????

Swimming: If done right, Manny can be in water. I showed you proof of that. Studies are out there too that its possible.
So AGAIN, you need to prove to us which ones he did that you say are impossible to do. Your speculation does not even hold up here except for some other Floyd internet doctors. Could you imagine going to court with your statement? You have NOTHING! ZIPPO! ZILCH! and you know it . Again, pretend its Floyd you would be calling me delusional or ****** for having nothing but now you have nothing and are still calling me names. Pretty crazy stuff man!

Proof: Remember how you started all this? You said that lots of things were not possible but I showed you several studies, people and so on where the person came back or began an activity or had strength and ROM equal to the uninjured arm. This is all that is required to shoot you down. There is nothing that I have seen that Manny did that was impossible.
As pointed already, with Floyd you wanted more than the 80-90% information that was out there. You wanted all 100% or else, you said its all speculation. The same Travestny is doing double talk here with a lot less information.

Manny healed: I have pointed out that there are others who said the same. Did they all lie? Some were from studies. Are the studies all lies? Remember that its a statement of how Manny was feeling about the progression. Manny can raise his arm and do other activities with no pain. For him, that meant healed.
BUT around 1.5 months later, once he got professional opinion that included an MRI ...., he then said 80-90% healed.

1) We are allowing early motion, but not enough to stress the repair. (May)
2) Range of motion (ROM) is limited over the first 6 weeks; (May-early June)
3) then we go for full ROM and (mid June)
4) begin strengthening at about 12 weeks. (2nd half of July)
5) I will allow him to begin training in 6 months and (November)
6) he should be able to compete in 9-12 months.” (February-end of April, 2016)

What was impossible? Please show us what you have?
Manny started training and had his fight with Bradley within the doctor's timeline. Still, as pointed out, there have been reports/studies that show that someone can do certain activities much sooner. This includes the activity that sidelined the person.

You just wrote a whole bunch of shyt for no damn reason. I've answered you over and over. Is it my fault that you can't comprehend because you don't want to. There's no damn way he rehabbed his shoulder in 3 months by swimming. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE CLAIMS, SO STOP WITH THE BULL****. There's also no way he's hoisting 3's with a big kool-aid smile on his face at 3 months. Your studies aren't relevant, as I've explained to you a billion times.

Finally...YOU LOST THE DAMN POLL. The reason for the poll was so that we could stop arguing about this and see what a 3rd party, BoxingScene, believes. Well, you lost. GET THE **** OVER IT ALREADY. Your butt hurt is epic and you can't stop because....YOU ****ING LOST.

Now, in the event that you do reply (which I know you will), please begin with:

1. What does "I never did rehab" mean to you?
2. What does "ALL I DID WAS SWIM IN THE OCEAN" mean to you?
3. Show me videos of someone rehabbing from a torn rotator cuff IN THE OCEAN.
4. Tell me how, if he only did swimming, and only used fins, HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER?

I've been doneeee. Just stop already. YOU LOST! MOVE ON!

[Dosumpthin]

Now, in the event that you do reply (which I know you will), please begin with:

1. What does "I never did rehab" mean to you?
2. What does "ALL I DID WAS SWIM IN THE OCEAN" mean to you?
3. Show me videos of someone rehabbing from a torn rotator cuff IN THE OCEAN.
4. Tell me how, if he only did swimming, and only used fins, HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER?

This will be added to the list of "disregarded facts by ADP02."

[travestyny]

The same guy who started the thread concerning Manny, Travestyny, said that even with surgery, he finds nothing impossible about Floyd's timeline!!!

I told you to make the thread about Floyd. You b*tched out. The only conclusion I can draw is that you are afraid of being embarrassed once again. Unless you step up, I suggest you stop mentioning this. Think about what a "b*tch move" is, and think about what you are doing every time you bring up Floyd. I knew there would be backlash about my thread, but I went ahead with it to prove my point. If you wish to be a coward on this issue, I completely understand--mostly because we both know that you'll just lose again.

Step up, or shut up.

[ADP02]

I never quote Paulie, or Atlas, about a fight they have no first hand knowledge of.

I may quote Roach, Atlas, and Nacho in relation to PAC, but not in fights they were not apart of.

Floyd was a punk for bringing up his injury.

But, Floyd did mention it during the fight.

In comparison ... PAC.... Only mentioned it at the post fight press conference.

By the Way, **** Floyd, PAC, JMM and idiots who don't know the fix is in.

and people heard that Manny wanted pain killers for the shoulder prior to the fight. NSAC said this. Manny's renowned doctor confirmed as well. Manny's team said that it was brought up but the cameras didn't pick it up.


Floyd said: "I tore my rotator cuff"
Floyd's physician said: Diagnosed a strained rotator cuff