Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[ADP02]

You are still going on? Are you kidding me? I would have thought you would disappear by now.

1. You tried to say they told NSAC. I showed you that they didn't tell NSAC ****, from their own mouths. They said they were STOPPED when trying to do the injection.

2. You still don't know what the meaning of the word debunk is. How can you debunk whether you know if the surgeon told her it was a partial tear or a full tear? This is idiotic as you don't know what he told her. She also said the injury would get worse, and she clearly means it can tear more. A full-thickness rotator cuff injury doesn't get worse, genius. It's already fully torn. Partial tears can gradually be torn more.

3. I can give you 4 or 5 more people who had rotator cuff surgery on their non-dominant arm and were not allowed to play basketball quicker than the recommended time for the injury in general. Do some damn research. Kevin Love missed the amount of time that he was supposed to miss.

Kevin Love has surgery on dislocated shoulder, to miss 4-6 months
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015...ted-4-6-months

So shut the **** up already.

And here, in case you weren't able to read what I already posted:

In the most likely scenario, where no anchoring into the bone is necessary, the normal return time is about three months. That's if surgery is even necessary in the first place.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...would-rehab-be

As for the rest of your garbage, we already went through it. Do you want to take a moment out to remind me why you said swimming had nothing to do with Pacquaio? Because I can give a certain quotation that says he never went to rehab, never saw a doctor, and all he did was swim.

You are a joke...and that's why you lost. Give up. This is pathetic.

1. Still on your tangent.

Back to the discussion:
You said that Floyd said it during the fight that his shoulder was hurting him. Nothing official since Floyd said that he didn't want anyone to know.
Then you said that Manny told nobody until after the fight.

My Response: Was NSAC aware of the possible injury to Manny's right shoulder? YES

Your response: You went on a tangent.



2. I debunked your speculation that the doctor told the "expert" the truth because she would know if it was a lie.


3. He came back early! So did the other cases that I posted!!!

Manny came back in the time he was supposed to for boxing. Close to 1 year but played some hoops with his opposite arm sooner. The other athlete came back to his sport at close to 1 year but was playing hoops at 12 weeks. So to say, nothing Manny was doing was impossible.



4. I can see that you have very little interest in knowing the truth.

YOU need to show me direct proof of the impossibility of what you are saying. While it would be a bonus, I do not necessarily need to do that. All I need to show people are actual people, athletes, studies that prove to you that what Manny did was not impossible, Once I achieve that, I rest my case.

AND THAT IS WHAT I DID!

[travestyny]

1. Still on your tangent.

Back to the discussion:
You said that Floyd said it during the fight that his shoulder was hurting him. Nothing official since Floyd said that he didn't want anyone to know.
Then you said that Manny told nobody until after the fight.

My Response: Was NSAC aware of the possible injury to Manny's right shoulder? YES

Your response: You went on a tangent.



2. I debunked your speculation that the doctor told the "expert" the truth because she would know if it was a lie.


3. He came back early! So did the other cases that I posted!!!

Manny came back in the time he was supposed to for boxing. Close to 1 year but played some hoops with his opposite arm sooner. The other athlete came back to his sport at close to 1 year but was playing hoops at 12 weeks. So to say, nothing Manny was doing was impossible.



4. I can see that you have very little interest in knowing the truth.

YOU need to show me direct proof of the impossibility of what you are saying. While it would be a bonus, I do not necessarily need to do that. All I need to show people are actual people, athletes, studies that prove to you that what Manny did was not impossible, Once I achieve that, I rest my case.

AND THAT IS WHAT I DID!

Why do I have to keep telling you the same things over and over? Try to use your comprehension skills.

1. Pacquiao didn't tell anyone. He tried to take a shot, they stopped him and questioned him, and that's when he mentioned it. You're trying to say they offered up the information, which they did not! As for Floyd, make the thread. If not, drop it.

2. Unless you were there when the lady talked to the surgeon, it is impossible for you to "debunk" anything. You don't explain why she said it can get worse if it was a full-thickness tear. I wonder why. I've said plenty of times that she could have got it wrong. I've also said that the doctor could have purposely mislead her. I can go back and show proof that I questioned why she came back with this information and never said firmly that I believe the doctor purposely mislead her. And I repeat, it's odd that her main and most important job was to talk to the surgeon and come back with the info about this injury...yet she got the injury wrong. When you put that on top of all the other **** that doesn't add up about this injury....it's quite odd, no?

3. Who came back early? Kevin Love? They said he was going to miss 4 months...so how is that coming back early? The rehabilitation time was likely around 3 months. This was not a full thickness rotator cuff tear, buddy. Sorry that you are confused.

Are you talking about the 13 year old boy you posted about? Did he have a full-thickness rotator cuff tear? I'll wait for your answer, but I'll expect more ducking and dodging.

4. You didn't do anything. Keep dreaming. I've shown not only medical evidence, but I can post evidence about GROWN MEN to back up everything I've said. I'm sorry your are so butt hurt about losing, but you lost. Go look at the poll, which was why it was opened up to boxingscene. You lost. Give up.

[ADP02]

And once again, Floyd mentioned his injury after round 1 of his fight.

Manny didn't mention it to NSAC. That was the whole point. Don't know why you keep spreading that lie. He attempted to take the shots and they stopped him and disallowed it. Arum went on record saying they sent paperwork over one week before the fight, NSAC said that was a lie, and Pac's team never mentioned it again.

Make the Floyd thread. You already got stomped in the other topic. Looking forward to stomping you again. Step up.

1. Still on your tangent.

Back to the discussion:
You said that Floyd said it during the fight that his shoulder was hurting him. Nothing official since Floyd said that he didn't want anyone to know.
Then you said that Manny told nobody until after the fight.

My Response: Was NSAC aware of the possible injury to Manny's right shoulder? YES

Your response: You went on a tangent.

Why do I have to keep telling you the same things over and over? Try to use your comprehension skills.

1. Pacquiao didn't tell anyone. He tried to take a shot, they stopped him and questioned him, and that's when he mentioned it. You're trying to say they offered up the information, which they did not! As for Floyd, make the thread. If not, drop it.
.

Nope, its that you like to go off on a tangent. read and you will see who has a comprehension problem. I even tried to patiently remind you what the discussion was about but you either intentionally or not go off on a tangent.

TAKE YOUR PICK!

I will repeat. This has nothing to do with Manny offering or not the injury beforehand. Its only to say that there were people who knew beforehand about the injury. So you can stop saying that the first time people were aware of an injury is after the fight.

[travestyny]

Nope, its that you like to go off on a tangent. read and you will see who has a comprehension problem. I even tried to patiently remind you what the discussion was about but you either intentionally or not go off on a tangent.

TAKE YOUR PICK!

I will repeat. This has nothing to do with Manny offering or not the injury beforehand. Its only to say that there were people who knew beforehand about the injury. So you can stop saying that the first time people were aware of an injury is after the fight.

If you mean to say that he told NSAC about it before the fight.....after he tried to take a toradol shot and they stopped him, then yes.

He told them before the fight...after he failed to tell them ahead of trying to take a toradol shot. The doctors examined him and found nothing wrong with his arm, as well. So no, NSAC was not aware of a possible injury. How could they be aware of a possible injury when Pac's team said he wasn't injured before the fight? They became aware of him claiming to have had an injury, sometime in the past, that was no longer an issue, but that he wanted to take Toradol for.

Sounds good to you, mate?

[ADP02]

If you mean to say that he told NSAC about it before the fight.....after he tried to take a toradol shot and they stopped him, then yes.

He told them before the fight...after he failed to tell them ahead of trying to take a toradol shot. The doctors examined him and found nothing wrong with his arm, as well. So no, NSAC was not aware of a possible injury. How could they be aware of a possible injury when Pac's team said he wasn't injured before the fight? They became aware of him claiming to have had an injury, sometime in the past, that was no longer an issue, but that he wanted to take Toradol for.

Sounds good to you, mate?

Funny stuff.


You keep on saying that nobody was aware of an injury until after the fight. With Manny, there was information about his injury, either conclusive or not, it was there. Remember I even said something like "You think its all a coincidence that the NSAC was made aware BEFORE the fight and the injury and surgery was on the same thing?"


As for your point, then why would the NSAC want to have an investigation on a check mark that was right, if there was no injury? The investigation was due to Manny not telling the truth on the form, remember?

[travestyny]

Funny stuff.


You keep on saying that nobody was aware of an injury until after the fight. With Manny, there was information about his injury, either conclusive or not, it was there. Remember I even said something like "You think its all a coincidence that the NSAC was made aware BEFORE the fight and the injury and surgery was on the same thing?"


As for your point, then why would the NSAC want to have an investigation on a check mark that was right, if there was no injury? The investigation was due to Manny not telling the truth on the form, remember?

This bores me. Let NSAC tell you what they knew:

“The commission was well aware he had a shoulder injury, no matter what the paperwork says,” Arum said.

Aguilar begs to differ.

“I found out about the issue just after 6 (p.m.),” he said. “They never filed any legal paperwork with the commission prior to the fight that he was hurt. We had Dr. (Timothy) Trainor and Dr. (James) Game check him out, and it was an easy decision on our part.”

“I need proof that an injury exists, and I had no proof. It’s our job to keep the integrity of the sport.”

Is this enough for you? Let's thank NSAC for clearing this up for us

[ADP02]

This bores me. Let NSAC tell you what they knew:

“The commission was well aware he had a shoulder injury, no matter what the paperwork says,” Arum said.

Aguilar begs to differ.

“I found out about the issue just after 6 (p.m.),” he said. “They never filed any legal paperwork with the commission prior to the fight that he was hurt. We had Dr. (Timothy) Trainor and Dr. (James) Game check him out, and it was an easy decision on our part.”

“I need proof that an injury exists, and I had no proof. It’s our job to keep the integrity of the sport.”

Is this enough for you? Let's thank NSAC for clearing this up for us

Sorry but what were you responding to? I cannot tell. perhaps you went off on a tangent again.

[travestyny]

Sorry but what were you responding to? I cannot tell. perhaps you went off on a tangent again.

You: Was NSAC aware of a possible injury? Yes.

NSAC: We had no proof of an injury.

Sounds like you were wrong as usual. Now just drop it. It's over. When you feel like you want to discuss this again, go look at the poll and log out.

[Spoon23]

You started a thread and talk like that about a post?

1. You are going off into a tangent AGAIN.

This was about when people first started knowing about Manny's injury and you said that nobody was aware of it until after the fight. The only point is that NSAC knew BEFORE the fight that Manny's team brought up the injury.


2. That is a mistake made by a 3rd party. Everything else that she indicated was more than likely for someone who had more than a partial tear. Right? YOU said that the reason was because the doctor knew that he couldn't lie to an "expert". but then why does the rest of the news resemble someone who had a full thickness tear?
DEBUNKED BABY!!!


3. No medals required. If I did not point it out, you would still bring it up. Right?

This is a perfect example of how you are going about trying to find out the truth. In an incorrect manner! You were ready to hang Manny with that picture! So this must be pointed out!


4. Sorry but that was about someone with a different set of injuries. I can do that too if you want to play that way:

a) Kevin Love had shoulder separation and ligament/labrum tearing and humeral head bone bruising as your example brought up. This guy can throw with his opposite shoulder and yes he even throws with his injured but healed shoulder way before 8 months. Said was on the basketball court even at a little over 3 months.

His rehab consisted of strengthening the rotator cuff.
BUT you can see in his videos that there is a progression in the process and a lot of it is mental.





"From surgery to At 4 months now lifting above his head and he went from not lifting weight to now lifting a ton of weight."


3:50 mark "He has been rehabbing 3.5-4 months and gets onto the basketball court ....."



b) Well here is someone who came back 10 months after surgery to play football but returned to basketball much sooner:
- "The patient returned to basketball 12 weeks after surgery"


"The patient was immobilized in an abduction sling for 4 weeks. Five weeks after surgery, he was doing well with passive range of motion. He progressed to active range of motion and started strengthening at 8 weeks. At 12 weeks, he had full active range of motion, including 100° of external rotation in 90° of abduction. He had 4+/5 subscapularis strength on bear hug testing. He completed a home exercise program focused on subscapularis strength and overall core strength and stability. He returned to basketball and had no pain during or after games. He successfully participated in tackle football 10 months postinjury without difficulty."


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3658400/



c) read this guy and pretend it was Manny saying it. What would you be saying?

46 years old who said "I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks": complete tear (full thickness tear) of the superspartatus tendon and bicep tendon tendon and some arthritis ....

"Mine was almost unrepairable. Like you, I healed rather quickly also. My total recovery time was 13 weeks. I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks"

"Last video (7 weeks post surgery) had to go to see doctor. Doctor said not to lift anything heavier than 25lbs. do not extend arms with anything heavy.....
My injury was so bad that the surgeon almost couldn't fix it, and I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks!"

"right now little strength but week 8-9, they will work on strengthening and by week 10 they will get very aggressive with strengthening"




5) See, you even need to see evidence before you believe. I have been telling you this since DAY 1.

Where is your evidence of Manny doing something that was considered impossible to do? I showed you several videos of people swimming. That is all one needs to show you. That is, one can "swim". So its not impossible. DEBUNKED!!!

So again, its for YOU to prove otherwise.

You are dangling on words said by Manny and speculated. Now lets see your proof that what Manny said is what YOU ARE THINKING!!! I and others know that "swimming" can mean anything. You are thinking of someone training for the Olympics. lol!

FYI: THere was a video of Manny saying the word "running" when talking about one of his opponents. Some people took it literally like you keep on doing. Later on, when asked DIRECTLY the question of what he meant. Manny said, in his country it means someone who "boxes".


6) More speculation with 0 evidence.

Look, this is simple. Lots of explanations but we both do not know. Its possible that Manny taped his hands then as a team or Roach decided it was best not to spar. Or something happened. Its just speculation that leads to NOTHING!!!

I already pointed other reasons and gave you your own medicine. Remember what you said when I pointed to you about KOBE playing a long time with his injury? You responded, that it was different because he can use meds. lol! So all you need to do is pretend Manny is Kobe or Floyd and we are all good.

You got the answers but you just do not want to apply them to Manny. Sad in one way but funny in another at how you can be that way.


You are no expert. I'm not either but I have realized for a while now that Manny could have done what he did. Not impossible. I have read some studies that backs my claims that every injury is different and there are plenty of variables in which YOU are not taking into consideration.


The only people to call Manny out are you Floyd internet doctors.

Please show your proof to an expert. I know what they will be telling you. They would be telling you, "Where is your evidence? All you are doing is speculating buddy"


7) Deflection city.



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Another solid airtight point by ADP02. Nice find as always! Keep on exposing the truth.

Cheers!

[ADP02]

Funny stuff.


You keep on saying that nobody was aware of an injury until after the fight. With Manny, there was information about his injury, either conclusive or not, it was there. Remember I even said something like "You think its all a coincidence that the NSAC was made aware BEFORE the fight and the injury and surgery was on the same thing?"


As for your point, then why would the NSAC want to have an investigation on a check mark that was right, if there was no injury? The investigation was due to Manny not telling the truth on the form, remember?

This bores me. Let NSAC tell you what they knew:

“The commission was well aware he had a shoulder injury, no matter what the paperwork says,” Arum said.

Aguilar begs to differ.

“I found out about the issue just after 6 (p.m.),” he said. “They never filed any legal paperwork with the commission prior to the fight that he was hurt. We had Dr. (Timothy) Trainor and Dr. (James) Game check him out, and it was an easy decision on our part.”

“I need proof that an injury exists, and I had no proof. It’s our job to keep the integrity of the sport.”

Is this enough for you? Let's thank NSAC for clearing this up for us

Sorry but what were you responding to? I cannot tell. perhaps you went off on a tangent again.

You: Was NSAC aware of a possible injury? Yes.

NSAC: We had no proof of an injury.

Sounds like you were wrong as usual. Now just drop it. It's over. When you feel like you want to discuss this again, go look at the poll and log out.

Your replies have nothing to do with my initial post. I guess you just wanted to go off on you tangent.