Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[ADP02]

Manny didn't mention it to NSAC. That was the whole point. Don't know why you keep spreading that lie. He attempted to take the shots and they stopped him and disallowed it. Arum went on record saying they sent paperwork over one week before the fight, NSAC said that was a lie, and Pac's team never mentioned it again.

Make the Floyd thread. You already got stomped in the other topic. Looking forward to stomping you again. Step up.

Sorry but you made a big stink that nothing was said until after the fight. I'm pointing out that you were wrong in that Manny brought this up BEFORE he even entered the ring.



DEBUNKED: Since you did not bring up that ESPN reporter, I'm presuming that you have finally put that speculation of yours to rest too.



Floyd's injury: Why do we need to make a thread? I'm using your way of speculating and thinking and applying it to Floyd's injury.

- So was Floyd lying before (torn left rotator cuff) or after(torn right rotator cuff)?
- So was Floyd lying (torn rotator cuff) or his physician lying (strained rotator cuff)?

When you think about it, you should be questioning if Floyd's injury was exaggerated.



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[travestyny]

Sorry but you made a big stink that nothing was said until after the fight. I'm pointing out that you were wrong in that Manny brought this up BEFORE he even entered the ring.



DEBUNKED: Since you did not bring up that ESPN reporter, I'm presuming that you have finally put that speculation of yours to rest too.



Floyd's injury: Why do we need to make a thread? I'm using your way of speculating and thinking and applying it to Floyd's injury.

- So was Floyd lying before (torn left rotator cuff) or after(torn right rotator cuff)?
- So was Floyd lying (torn rotator cuff) or his physician lying (strained rotator cuff)?

When you think about it, you should be questioning if Floyd's injury was exaggerated.



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Your comprehension skills are failing you.

1. Manny didn't bring up anything. Even his team states that they started the process to be shot up with toradol and NSAC stopped them. They had no plan of mentioning anything.

2. After all of the **** that doesn't make sense, I pointed out that it also doesn't make sense that this specialist came back with the wrong injury. I said it could be a mistake, but it's terribly fishy being that there was so many lies and other things that don't make sense about the injury. It still makes no sense that she came back with the wrong info.

3. if you want to discuss Floyd's injury, make the thread. I get the feeling you won't because you know you will be put to shame. If you can't step up for exactly what you believe, then just stfu already.

And you seriously need to learn the meaning of the word debunk. Really. Look it up.

[ADP02]

Your comprehension skills are failing you.

1. Manny didn't bring up anything. Even his team states that they started the process to be shot up with toradol and NSAC stopped them. They had no plan of mentioning anything.

2. After all of the **** that doesn't make sense, I pointed out that it also doesn't make sense that this specialist came back with the wrong injury. I said it could be a mistake, but it's terribly fishy being that there was so many lies and other things that don't make sense about the injury. It still makes no sense that she came back with the wrong info.

3. if you want to discuss Floyd's injury, make the thread. I get the feeling you won't because you know you will be put to shame. If you can't step up for exactly what you believe, then just stfu already.

And you seriously need to learn the meaning of the word debunk. Really. Look it up.

WRONG AGAIN

1. "was barred by the NSAC because they had been informed of his injury only hours before the bout was supposed to start."

"It was just an inadvertent mistake," Koncz said. "If I was trying to hide anything, would I have listed all the medications on the sheet that he intended to use?"

"Wouldn't you ask a question about all these medications(listed on the pre-fight form)? The bottom line is that we weren't trying to hide anything. If we had wanted to, we could have done the injection at the hotel before the fight, and nobody would have known, but we didn't want to hide anything," Koncz said.


2. You are changing it up. You initially said that the doctor knew that he couldn't fool an "expert" and told her the truth. So that is why she said "partial". Now you are saying its "fishy". As I stated, she made a mistake. Perhaps she got mixed up because Manny did also have a partial tear ..... BUT the reason had nothing to do with what you initially speculated.


3. If I would, you know what would happen. Floyd fans would do like you do. When discussing a torn rotator cuff, many Floyd fans said its impossible that Manny did this and that. This is without even having any knowledge the degree of the tear. Just that it was torn. Then the same Floyd fans would come back, like you did, and say its possible for Floyd to announce soon after surgery his next fight. PLEASE!!!

Then I would get non-stop Floyd fans crying, "that fight happened a long time ago, why are you bringing it up"



Debunked: "to expose or excoriate (a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc.) as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated: "


Travestyny "Manny "waving" a flag in a picture 1 month after surgery":
Exaggerated: How did you see Manny waving a flag in a PICTURE??? lol
FALSE: and the picture was taken prior to the surgery not after.

and you admitted it here:
"Yes, you did. Why would I add it if you debunked it? Congratulations."


Travestyny: The doctor knew that he couldn't fool an "expert" so that is why she said "partial" not "full" thickness tear. THat is, the doctor told the expert the truth.
FALSE: As mentioned above, this PT expert got it wrong because everything else she said made it sound like it was not a partial tear.


Travestyny: Pac did not mention it once (his injury)
FALSE: NSAC confirmed that Manny did mention that he was injured PRIOR to the fight. Meds were prescribed for his shoulder. Manny's corner did say that Manny came back after round 4 and said that his shoulder was done. Manny's physician confirmed that the injury was their prior to the fight and got worse and required surgery.

Travestyny: Kobe Bryant: Evidence from parallel circumstances
Misleading argument I have TOLD YOU that you cannot just base your injury the way you did. There are many variables that need to be taken into account. At times, someone with what looked like to be a smaller tear had a longer healing period than someone with a larger tear.
FALSE and deceptive: Kobe shoots with his injured arm. Manny shoots with the opposite uninjured arm.

Travestyny: Its not possible to swim ... I got all these documents
Lack of direct evidence: No proof of what Manny did that was wrong.
Evidence that you can swim: I showed you 2 videos that disproves what you said about swimming in the water. One was about rehabing the rotator cuff and the other was Manny able to swim using his fins on his feet. I would assume that Manny more than likely did what he can at the time that he did it. Again, you have no proof that he did anything wrong.



Travestyny: Dashon Johnson – Sparring partner
Before the fight:
“Manny is looking unbelievable right now and honestly I don’t see the fight going the distance at all.”
Now, what did he say after the fight?:
“We were asked not to mention anything to anyone, but yes, Manny got hurt during this camp and his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad."
Debunked: Quote 1 was prior to the injury not after the injury but you did not say that and left everyone thinking otherwise.
Now lets say it was an interview after the injury. What did you expect Manny's team to say? Manny is going to lose because he has an injured shoulder? lol You read to much into the interviews but some of it cannot be trusted and not because of what you think but because they do not want to let the opposing side no everything before going into a fight.


Travestyny: Manny only had a partial tear because he did some things sooner than possible.....
ADP02: Can Floyd announce within a month after surgery to a partially torn rotator cuff?
Travestyny: Yes that is possible.
ADP02: So why did Manny not try to get a fight with Floyd in 2015? Why no fight for 1 year for Manny?

Travestyny: He Thanks another Floyd poster who said that you cannot "raise your arms", "punch" if you have a torn rotator cuff.
Inaccurate: First off, the poster and some other Floyd fans also said that concerning any type of degree of injury. That is even for a partial tear. Read below on Floyd.
Doctors and studies point that pain does not corelate to degree of a tear. Someone with a larger tear can have less pain than somone wit hjust a partial tear or just a strain. Same goes with Range of Motion. Someone with a larger tear can be able to have a better range of motion than someone with a smaller tear.

Travestyny: Manny threw quite a few punches. How can that be?
Flawed logic: Read below and above.


Floyd thru more left handed jabs in the fight that he had a torn rotator cuff than in the 2nd fight and other fights. Still think its not possible?

Mayweather vs Castillo I: Mayweather threw 297 jabs.
Mayweather vs Castillo II: Mayweather threw only 235 jabs.
Mayweather vs Judah: only threw 109 jabs.
Mayweather vs Hatton: Only threw 72 jabs.
Mayweather vs stationary Baldomir: 200 jabs

Here is Floyd late in the fight. Now do you believe? lol:


3 punch combo with his supposedly torn messed up shoulder




left punch then elevates left elbow and uses it to push off Castillo




2 left hands by Floyd


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[travestyny]

WRONG AGAIN

1. "was barred by the NSAC because they had been informed of his injury only hours before the bout was supposed to start."

"It was just an inadvertent mistake," Koncz said. "If I was trying to hide anything, would I have listed all the medications on the sheet that he intended to use?"

"Wouldn't you ask a question about all these medications(listed on the pre-fight form)? The bottom line is that we weren't trying to hide anything. If we had wanted to, we could have done the injection at the hotel before the fight, and nobody would have known, but we didn't want to hide anything," Koncz said.


2. You are changing it up. You initially said that the doctor knew that he couldn't fool an "expert" and told her the truth. So that is why she said "partial". Now you are saying its "fishy". As I stated, she made a mistake. Perhaps she got mixed up because Manny did also have a partial tear ..... BUT the reason had nothing to do with what you initially speculated.


3. If I would, you know what would happen. Floyd fans would do like you do. When discussing a torn rotator cuff, many Floyd fans said its impossible that Manny did this and that. This is without even having any knowledge the degree of the tear. Just that it was torn. Then the same Floyd fans would come back, like you did, and say its possible for Floyd to announce soon after surgery his next fight. PLEASE!!!

Then I would get non-stop Floyd fans crying, "that fight happened a long time ago, why are you bringing it up"



Debunked: "to expose or excoriate (a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc.) as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated: "


Travestyny "Manny "waving" a flag in a picture 1 month after surgery":
Exaggerated: How did you see Manny waving a flag in a PICTURE??? lol
FALSE: and the picture was taken prior to the surgery not after.

and you admitted it here:
"Yes, you did. Why would I add it if you debunked it? Congratulations."


Travestyny: The doctor knew that he couldn't fool an "expert" so that is why she said "partial" not "full" thickness tear. THat is, the doctor told the expert the truth.
FALSE: As mentioned above, this PT expert got it wrong because everything else she said made it sound like it was not a partial tear.


Travestyny: Pac did not mention it once (his injury)
FALSE: NSAC confirmed that Manny did mention that he was injured PRIOR to the fight. Meds were prescribed for his shoulder. Manny's corner did say that Manny came back after round 4 and said that his shoulder was done. Manny's physician confirmed that the injury was their prior to the fight and got worse and required surgery.

Travestyny: Kobe Bryant: Evidence from parallel circumstances
Misleading argument I have TOLD YOU that you cannot just base your injury the way you did. There are many variables that need to be taken into account. At times, someone with what looked like to be a smaller tear had a longer healing period than someone with a larger tear.
FALSE and deceptive: Kobe shoots with his injured arm. Manny shoots with the opposite uninjured arm.

Travestyny: Its not possible to swim ... I got all these documents
Lack of direct evidence: No proof of what Manny did that was wrong.
Evidence that you can swim: I showed you 2 videos that disproves what you said about swimming in the water. One was about rehabing the rotator cuff and the other was Manny able to swim using his fins on his feet. I would assume that Manny more than likely did what he can at the time that he did it. Again, you have no proof that he did anything wrong.



Travestyny: Dashon Johnson – Sparring partner
Before the fight:
“Manny is looking unbelievable right now and honestly I don’t see the fight going the distance at all.”
Now, what did he say after the fight?:
“We were asked not to mention anything to anyone, but yes, Manny got hurt during this camp and his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad."
Debunked: Quote 1 was prior to the injury not after the injury but you did not say that and left everyone thinking otherwise.
Now lets say it was an interview after the injury. What did you expect Manny's team to say? Manny is going to lose because he has an injured shoulder? lol You read to much into the interviews but some of it cannot be trusted and not because of what you think but because they do not want to let the opposing side no everything before going into a fight.


Travestyny: Manny only had a partial tear because he did some things sooner than possible.....
ADP02: Can Floyd announce within a month after surgery to a partially torn rotator cuff?
Travestyny: Yes that is possible.
ADP02: So why did Manny not try to get a fight with Floyd in 2015? Why no fight for 1 year for Manny?

Travestyny: He Thanks another Floyd poster who said that you cannot "raise your arms", "punch" if you have a torn rotator cuff.
Inaccurate: First off, the poster and some other Floyd fans also said that concerning any type of degree of injury. That is even for a partial tear. Read below on Floyd.
Doctors and studies point that pain does not corelate to degree of a tear. Someone with a larger tear can have less pain than somone wit hjust a partial tear or just a strain. Same goes with Range of Motion. Someone with a larger tear can be able to have a better range of motion than someone with a smaller tear.

Travestyny: Manny threw quite a few punches. How can that be?
Flawed logic: Read below and above.


Floyd thru more left handed jabs in the fight that he had a torn rotator cuff than in the 2nd fight and other fights. Still think its not possible?

Mayweather vs Castillo I: Mayweather threw 297 jabs.
Mayweather vs Castillo II: Mayweather threw only 235 jabs.
Mayweather vs Judah: only threw 109 jabs.
Mayweather vs Hatton: Only threw 72 jabs.
Mayweather vs stationary Baldomir: 200 jabs

Here is Floyd late in the fight. Now do you believe? lol:


3 punch combo with his supposedly torn messed up shoulder




left punch then elevates left elbow and uses it to push off Castillo




2 left hands by Floyd


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Thanks for writing so much and wasting so many people's time with bull****. Once again:

1. Manny did not inform NSAC of anything. He attempted to take the drugs and was stopped. Want proof?

"A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny's doctors began the process, the Nevada commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny's shoulder injury."
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...right-shoulder

Exactly as I stated. Since his team agrees with me, maybe you will do more research next time.

2. I stated plenty of times that the specialist coming back with "partial tear" was fishy. This was information that was not even important to the thread that I posted where you got stomped out. The bottom line is...you got stomped out. Do you really need more information here? Told you plenty of times to let it go. You lost the debate. You lost the poll. Give it up. No one cares anymore.

3. I like how when I tell you to look up debunk, you go back to a topic that was discussed way in the past, and not even in the thread I posted. I stated that you debunked the photo. what do you want? A medal? Too bad you didn't have much luck with any of the other information I posted. Bow out, homie. You lost.

4. Don't even bring up basketball anymore. I proved my case there and you know it. It didn't matter what hand he shoots with and I proved it with expert testimony. Just stop.

5. Swimming -- Just stop. I posted about 11 medical documents about this. No one cares if you think he was swimming with barbells in the ocean. Post some evidence outside of a swimming pool, homie.

6. I posted clear information about sparring. Are you going to admit he didn't spar against sparring partners with just one hand? Are you going to admit that he stated he should rest his shoulder for a month, yet he was taped up and ready to spar in 2 days, and according to roach, he shot 1000 punches the very next day after the so called injury. I have a picture of him with his hands taped up, which they only do when a fighter is punching something. Also have a video of him throwing punches on the morning of the day where he so called missed sparring due to the "injury." You didn't prove your case. You lost the poll. Shut up already.

7. If you want to discuss Floyd, post the thread. Stop being a b*tch. Step up like I did.

[Code Red]

Ironically we had to wait 5+ years for Floyd to get the courage to fight Manny and at the end of the day it was Floyd who did something that was banned!!! Floyd was caught in the IV scandal

And how exactly do you plan to cycle PEDS if the testing is random? Supposing thats what you claim his IV is for...so how does he know when and when not to do so? Cause NSAC, USADA, WBC, Vegas, Al Haymon are all in on it? Is that it...is X Files your favorite show?

[ADP02]

Thanks for writing so much and wasting so many people's time with bull****. Once again:

1. Manny did not inform NSAC of anything. He attempted to take the drugs and was stopped. Want proof?

"A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny's doctors began the process, the Nevada commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny's shoulder injury."
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...right-shoulder

Exactly as I stated. Since his team agrees with me, maybe you will do more research next time.

2. I stated plenty of times that the specialist coming back with "partial tear" was fishy. This was information that was not even important to the thread that I posted where you got stomped out. The bottom line is...you got stomped out. Do you really need more information here? Told you plenty of times to let it go. You lost the debate. You lost the poll. Give it up. No one cares anymore.

3. I like how when I tell you to look up debunk, you go back to a topic that was discussed way in the past, and not even in the thread I posted. I stated that you debunked the photo. what do you want? A medal? Too bad you didn't have much luck with any of the other information I posted. Bow out, homie. You lost.

4. Don't even bring up basketball anymore. I proved my case there and you know it. It didn't matter what hand he shoots with and I proved it with expert testimony. Just stop.

5. Swimming -- Just stop. I posted about 11 medical documents about this. No one cares if you think he was swimming with barbells in the ocean. Post some evidence outside of a swimming pool, homie.

6. I posted clear information about sparring. Are you going to admit he didn't spar against sparring partners with just one hand? Are you going to admit that he stated he should rest his shoulder for a month, yet he was taped up and ready to spar in 2 days, and according to roach, he shot 1000 punches the very next day after the so called injury. I have a picture of him with his hands taped up, which they only do when a fighter is punching something. Also have a video of him throwing punches on the morning of the day where he so called missed sparring due to the "injury." You didn't prove your case. You lost the poll. Shut up already.

7. If you want to discuss Floyd, post the thread. Stop being a b*tch. Step up like I did.

You started a thread and talk like that about a post?

1. You are going off into a tangent AGAIN.

This was about when people first started knowing about Manny's injury and you said that nobody was aware of it until after the fight. The only point is that NSAC knew BEFORE the fight that Manny's team brought up the injury.


2. That is a mistake made by a 3rd party. Everything else that she indicated was more than likely for someone who had more than a partial tear. Right? YOU said that the reason was because the doctor knew that he couldn't lie to an "expert". but then why does the rest of the news resemble someone who had a full thickness tear?
DEBUNKED BABY!!!


3. No medals required. If I did not point it out, you would still bring it up. Right?

This is a perfect example of how you are going about trying to find out the truth. In an incorrect manner! You were ready to hang Manny with that picture! So this must be pointed out!


4. Sorry but that was about someone with a different set of injuries. I can do that too if you want to play that way:

a) Kevin Love had shoulder separation and ligament/labrum tearing and humeral head bone bruising as your example brought up. This guy can throw with his opposite shoulder and yes he even throws with his injured but healed shoulder way before 8 months. Said was on the basketball court even at a little over 3 months.

His rehab consisted of strengthening the rotator cuff.
BUT you can see in his videos that there is a progression in the process and a lot of it is mental.





"From surgery to At 4 months now lifting above his head and he went from not lifting weight to now lifting a ton of weight."


3:50 mark "He has been rehabbing 3.5-4 months and gets onto the basketball court ....."



b) Well here is someone who came back 10 months after surgery to play football but returned to basketball much sooner:
- "The patient returned to basketball 12 weeks after surgery"


"The patient was immobilized in an abduction sling for 4 weeks. Five weeks after surgery, he was doing well with passive range of motion. He progressed to active range of motion and started strengthening at 8 weeks. At 12 weeks, he had full active range of motion, including 100° of external rotation in 90° of abduction. He had 4+/5 subscapularis strength on bear hug testing. He completed a home exercise program focused on subscapularis strength and overall core strength and stability. He returned to basketball and had no pain during or after games. He successfully participated in tackle football 10 months postinjury without difficulty."


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3658400/



c) read this guy and pretend it was Manny saying it. What would you be saying?

46 years old who said "I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks": complete tear (full thickness tear) of the superspartatus tendon and bicep tendon tendon and some arthritis ....

"Mine was almost unrepairable. Like you, I healed rather quickly also. My total recovery time was 13 weeks. I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks"

"Last video (7 weeks post surgery) had to go to see doctor. Doctor said not to lift anything heavier than 25lbs. do not extend arms with anything heavy.....
My injury was so bad that the surgeon almost couldn't fix it, and I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks!"

"right now little strength but week 8-9, they will work on strengthening and by week 10 they will get very aggressive with strengthening"




5) See, you even need to see evidence before you believe. I have been telling you this since DAY 1.

Where is your evidence of Manny doing something that was considered impossible to do? I showed you several videos of people swimming. That is all one needs to show you. That is, one can "swim". So its not impossible. DEBUNKED!!!

So again, its for YOU to prove otherwise.

You are dangling on words said by Manny and speculated. Now lets see your proof that what Manny said is what YOU ARE THINKING!!! I and others know that "swimming" can mean anything. You are thinking of someone training for the Olympics. lol!

FYI: THere was a video of Manny saying the word "running" when talking about one of his opponents. Some people took it literally like you keep on doing. Later on, when asked DIRECTLY the question of what he meant. Manny said, in his country it means someone who "boxes".


6) More speculation with 0 evidence.

Look, this is simple. Lots of explanations but we both do not know. Its possible that Manny taped his hands then as a team or Roach decided it was best not to spar. Or something happened. Its just speculation that leads to NOTHING!!!

I already pointed other reasons and gave you your own medicine. Remember what you said when I pointed to you about KOBE playing a long time with his injury? You responded, that it was different because he can use meds. lol! So all you need to do is pretend Manny is Kobe or Floyd and we are all good.

You got the answers but you just do not want to apply them to Manny. Sad in one way but funny in another at how you can be that way.


You are no expert. I'm not either but I have realized for a while now that Manny could have done what he did. Not impossible. I have read some studies that backs my claims that every injury is different and there are plenty of variables in which YOU are not taking into consideration.


The only people to call Manny out are you Floyd internet doctors.

Please show your proof to an expert. I know what they will be telling you. They would be telling you, "Where is your evidence? All you are doing is speculating buddy"


7) Deflection city.



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[ADP02]

And how exactly do you plan to cycle PEDS if the testing is random? Supposing thats what you claim his IV is for...so how does he know when and when not to do so? Cause NSAC, USADA, WBC, Vegas, Al Haymon are all in on it? Is that it...is X Files your favorite show?

That was the point for all the delays and smoke screens.
- It took 6+ hours for them to get a sample of urine from Floyd.
- Floyd's walking weight FLOYD admits is between 147-150.
- His fight night weight Floyd admits was only 149 and said that he ate a lot!!!
- His weigh in, Floyd made it easily and came in at 146. Like usual!!!
- Floyd was seen drinking about 600ml and studies show that its enough to get a mildly dehydrated athlete back to FULL hydrated in less than 45 minutes. Less than that with an empty stomach.

Studies, NSAC, WADA and even USADA's website tells Floyd to just drink up a few cups per 1lb lost. So all Floyd had to do was drink!


Floyd basically was micro dosing. Floyd delayed and used an IV because he didn't expect them to be testing him on the day of the weigh in. HE probably thought that there would be no more tests until after the fight and calculated his doses that way.


Simple question: Do you believe that Floyd was so severely dehydrated that he must have had that IV? Do you think that USADA would now be giving everyone a retroactive TUE since most boxers need to rehydrate way more than 3lbs.



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[Larry the boss]

Man ya'll really need to move on....lol the war is over

[ADP02]

Man ya'll really need to move on....lol the war is over

Hi Larry ..... so did you start being a boxing reporter?

[travestyny]

You started a thread and talk like that about a post?

1. You are going off into a tangent AGAIN.

This was about when people first started knowing about Manny's injury and you said that nobody was aware of it until after the fight. The only point is that NSAC knew BEFORE the fight that Manny's team brought up the injury.


2. That is a mistake made by a 3rd party. Everything else that she indicated was more than likely for someone who had more than a partial tear. Right? YOU said that the reason was because the doctor knew that he couldn't lie to an "expert". but then why does the rest of the news resemble someone who had a full thickness tear?
DEBUNKED BABY!!!


3. No medals required. If I did not point it out, you would still bring it up. Right?

This is a perfect example of how you are going about trying to find out the truth. In an incorrect manner! You were ready to hang Manny with that picture! So this must be pointed out!


4. Sorry but that was about someone with a different set of injuries. I can do that too if you want to play that way:

a) Kevin Love had shoulder separation and ligament/labrum tearing and humeral head bone bruising as your example brought up. This guy can throw with his opposite shoulder and yes he even throws with his injured but healed shoulder way before 8 months. Said was on the basketball court even at a little over 3 months.

His rehab consisted of strengthening the rotator cuff.
BUT you can see in his videos that there is a progression in the process and a lot of it is mental.





"From surgery to At 4 months now lifting above his head and he went from not lifting weight to now lifting a ton of weight."


3:50 mark "He has been rehabbing 3.5-4 months and gets onto the basketball court ....."



b) Well here is someone who came back 10 months after surgery to play football but returned to basketball much sooner:
- "The patient returned to basketball 12 weeks after surgery"


"The patient was immobilized in an abduction sling for 4 weeks. Five weeks after surgery, he was doing well with passive range of motion. He progressed to active range of motion and started strengthening at 8 weeks. At 12 weeks, he had full active range of motion, including 100° of external rotation in 90° of abduction. He had 4+/5 subscapularis strength on bear hug testing. He completed a home exercise program focused on subscapularis strength and overall core strength and stability. He returned to basketball and had no pain during or after games. He successfully participated in tackle football 10 months postinjury without difficulty."


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3658400/



c) read this guy and pretend it was Manny saying it. What would you be saying?

46 years old who said "I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks": complete tear (full thickness tear) of the superspartatus tendon and bicep tendon tendon and some arthritis ....

"Mine was almost unrepairable. Like you, I healed rather quickly also. My total recovery time was 13 weeks. I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks"

"Last video (7 weeks post surgery) had to go to see doctor. Doctor said not to lift anything heavier than 25lbs. do not extend arms with anything heavy.....
My injury was so bad that the surgeon almost couldn't fix it, and I turned a 6 month recovery into 13 weeks!"

"right now little strength but week 8-9, they will work on strengthening and by week 10 they will get very aggressive with strengthening"




5) See, you even need to see evidence before you believe. I have been telling you this since DAY 1.

Where is your evidence of Manny doing something that was considered impossible to do? I showed you several videos of people swimming. That is all one needs to show you. That is, one can "swim". So its not impossible. DEBUNKED!!!

So again, its for YOU to prove otherwise.

You are dangling on words said by Manny and speculated. Now lets see your proof that what Manny said is what YOU ARE THINKING!!! I and others know that "swimming" can mean anything. You are thinking of someone training for the Olympics. lol!

FYI: THere was a video of Manny saying the word "running" when talking about one of his opponents. Some people took it literally like you keep on doing. Later on, when asked DIRECTLY the question of what he meant. Manny said, in his country it means someone who "boxes".


6) More speculation with 0 evidence.

Look, this is simple. Lots of explanations but we both do not know. Its possible that Manny taped his hands then as a team or Roach decided it was best not to spar. Or something happened. Its just speculation that leads to NOTHING!!!

I already pointed other reasons and gave you your own medicine. Remember what you said when I pointed to you about KOBE playing a long time with his injury? You responded, that it was different because he can use meds. lol! So all you need to do is pretend Manny is Kobe or Floyd and we are all good.

You got the answers but you just do not want to apply them to Manny. Sad in one way but funny in another at how you can be that way.


You are no expert. I'm not either but I have realized for a while now that Manny could have done what he did. Not impossible. I have read some studies that backs my claims that every injury is different and there are plenty of variables in which YOU are not taking into consideration.


The only people to call Manny out are you Floyd internet doctors.

Please show your proof to an expert. I know what they will be telling you. They would be telling you, "Where is your evidence? All you are doing is speculating buddy"


7) Deflection city.



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You are still going on? Are you kidding me? I would have thought you would disappear by now.

1. You tried to say they told NSAC. I showed you that they didn't tell NSAC ****, from their own mouths. They said they were STOPPED when trying to do the injection.

2. You still don't know what the meaning of the word debunk is. How can you debunk whether you know if the surgeon told her it was a partial tear or a full tear? This is idiotic as you don't know what he told her. She also said the injury would get worse, and she clearly means it can tear more. A full-thickness rotator cuff injury doesn't get worse, genius. It's already fully torn. Partial tears can gradually be torn more.

3. I can give you 4 or 5 more people who had rotator cuff surgery on their non-dominant arm and were not allowed to play basketball quicker than the recommended time for the injury in general. Do some damn research. Kevin Love missed the amount of time that he was supposed to miss.

Kevin Love has surgery on dislocated shoulder, to miss 4-6 months
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015...ted-4-6-months

So shut the **** up already.

And here, in case you weren't able to read what I already posted:

In the most likely scenario, where no anchoring into the bone is necessary, the normal return time is about three months. That's if surgery is even necessary in the first place.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...would-rehab-be

As for the rest of your garbage, we already went through it. Do you want to take a moment out to remind me why you said swimming had nothing to do with Pacquaio? Because I can give a certain quotation that says he never went to rehab, never saw a doctor, and all he did was swim.

You are a joke...and that's why you lost. Give up. This is pathetic.