Are Elevated To Champion Status Unfortunate In Boxing?

[therealpugilist]

I disagree that fighters make the belt. That allows for too much objective BS. I remember debating with someone who was killing Broner's title wins as not legit because his promoter got him the fights. When I asked about Manny, the poster then said well it's different. No it isn't.

If a great fighter is given a belt that isn't ok IMO. No fighter "deserves" a belt, even if public opinion says they are the best in a division. Popular opinion doesn't make the opinion a fact.

IMO a title should never be awarded to a fighter. The sanctioning body should strip then have #1 and #2 fight for the title belt. Frankly, I don't even count super champs, interim or any other BS designation created by a sanctioning body for more fees.

belts should were made to be won in the ring. boxing is watered down as it is. Manny's joke title win at 154. title fight with margarito...neither were ranked at 154 then the fight was at 150 all the while deserving contenders had to watch...its pathetic and the only people who support fighters being handed belts are gennady's gonad garglers, aka the Can Man Fans

[sugar ray lenrd]

I disagree that fighters make the belt. That allows for too much objective BS. I remember debating with someone who was killing Broner's title wins as not legit because his promoter got him the fights. When I asked about Manny, the poster then said well it's different. No it isn't.

If a great fighter is given a belt that isn't ok IMO. No fighter "deserves" a belt, even if public opinion says they are the best in a division. Popular opinion doesn't make the opinion a fact.

IMO a title should never be awarded to a fighter. The sanctioning body should strip then have #1 and #2 fight for the title belt. Frankly, I don't even count super champs, interim or any other BS designation created by a sanctioning body for more fees.

I totally agree with you. I've written this here numerous times. In a perfect world, there should only be one champion.but in our world, I'll deal with each sanctioning body having their own champion per division (there are 4 champions per division and each one represents a sanctioning body). there is no need for all these titles. The only titles besides the world champions should be the continental & regional. Being that once a fighter reaches that level they automatically should be in the World rankings.

[DreamerUSA]

Yes titles should be won in the ring. To me it is'nt rocket science. If a guy is stripped or vacates then the sanctioning body should go down the list until they can find the two best guys willing to fight. Hopefully that would be #1 and #2, assuming the rankings don't blow ass, which is wishful thinking.

[soul_survivor]

I'm guessing OP is some taco bell munching fantard who thinks Ramirez is better than GGG because of his ethnic heritage?

[The Big Dunn]

I think theres a bit of a difference between 'popular opinion' and being the universally recognised no.1 fighter. When theres a guy who is clearly ahead of the pack, the other world titles are pretty meaningless. So it doesn't even matter if they are handed out, sold, or put in a trash can or whatever. I don't think anyone should care for the WBC/IBF heavyweight titles, because the recognised champion doesn't hold them.

With Broner, the only title that really mattered was his WBC lightweight crown, because it reflected the no.1 lightweight. The others we shouldn't really care so much about. The same goes for some of Manny' titles, his 154 WBC title especially. I think you're giving these titles far too much respect, when all they are pretty much, are promotional toys in most cases

Maybe a small difference but its still an opinion. There can be a guy that is assumed ahead of the pack-but we don't know until they fight, especially in this era where a KO over an average guy is seen as better than a UD win over a better fighter.

Title belts are still one of the main ways we measure greatness/success in this sport. So if we discount it for one fighter, we need to do it for all.

It's not titles themselves I am giving credence to but winning. I think one of the things the sport has lost is that winning isn't rewarded, emphasized and celebrated as much as entertainment. There is always a problem when something definitive like winning is secondary to something subjective.

[Divine Hammer]

GGG is the greatest middleweight in history. not his problem that everyone in his division is a scaredy cat.

[sugar ray lenrd]

techliam:
In Golovkin's and Lara's case, the elevated titles went to the right person, the universally recognised no.1 fighters in their divisions. I see it more as correcting a mistake in those cases[/QUOTE]

Sugar Ray:
That is true in their case but still, they should make them fight #1 & #2. I think Thurman was elevated to the main champion after Floyd retired & that is a NO NO...They should have made him fight #2 contender. So GGG & Lara are the legimate champions in their wgt class, as for Thurman, had they never injected the interim title he still would have been a world ranked fighter (even when Floyd retired, since you need to have #1 & #2 contenders fight for the belt whenever it is vacated)

[Lester Tutor]

I'm guessing OP is some taco bell munching fantard who thinks Ramirez is better than GGG because of his ethnic heritage?

wow. Siktir git! that's too bad you made my ignore list. I won't tolerate racism against grade F meat Taco Bell or nutritious McDonald's and chimi-change falupasss!

[therealpugilist]

only Can Man Fans support belts being gift wrapped outside the ring and not won in the ring.

so far the dumbest comments by Gennady Gargler's


1)Lineal titles dont matter;even though the man beating the man is the name of the game

2) Being ducked is counted as a win; even though no of us were apart of negotiations but its save to assume EVERYONE is ducking GGG

3) Being handed a title is just as good as winning one in the ring;as long as its Golovkin

idiots of boxing...the garglers

[HeroBando]

only Can Man Fans support belts being gift wrapped outside the ring and not won in the ring.

so far the dumbest comments by Gennady Gargler's


1)Lineal titles dont matter;even though the man beating the man is the name of the game

2) Being ducked is counted as a win; even though no of us were apart of negotiations but its save to assume EVERYONE is ducking GGG

3) Being handed a title is just as good as winning one in the ring;as long as its Golovkin

idiots of boxing...the garglers

Canelos lineal title obviously doesn't matter, it's thoroughly disgraced. Worst lineal champ ever