Comments Thread For: Povetkin Questions Whether Wilder Actually Intended To Fight Him

[cupocity303]

I really don't even feel like arguing this subject. Povetkin blew it and it's his fault. But everyone knows that Wilder is a b1tch and was high fiving himself that this happened so that he can feast on more b-level top 20 contenders.

He gave him a way out and he took it.

[Boxing Logic]

Gutless bytch didn't have the balls to fight fair so he decided to cheat, then tries to question the courage of his opponent??

The drug cheat Povetkin should be thankful he hasn't been banned for a long time.

What's wrong with yall? He didn't cheat. Anything below 1 microgram was legal, and he took 7% that much. 7%. He wasn't even 10% of the way towards cheating. He was way closer to zero than he was to doing anything against the rules. He did not fail the drug test, Wilder just pretended he did to get out of the fight. If yall hate Povetkin because he's white, just say so, but don't make **** up. Stick with the facts otherwise what's the point even talking about it?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Na, that's what you're telling yourself, that this is the reason you're not reading. You're lying to yourself. You're not reading because you know your whole defense of Wilder that my post destroyed hangs on you believing the lie that Povetkin had more than the allowed 1 microgram in his system, and that reading my post would expose to you that he didn't have more than 1 microgram.

Sorry, but covering your eyes and your ears and singing Adrien Broner's greatest hits as loud as you can is not going to shield you from the truth. People like me are just going to keep exposing it and exposing that you are ignoring the facts on purpose because you don't want to admit your fighter ducks. Of course he ducks! He's a Haymon fighter! Now let's disprove your only defense:



Wrong again. http://www.boxingscene.com/povetkins...months--105068



And now from the article we're commenting on.

So Povetkin's promoter said it was 0.07 micrograms, and no one refuted his claim. Then boxingscene backed up that it was 0.07 micrograms. And now boxingscene has knowledge of the B sample also, sand says the levels in both samples was extremely minor.

But you still think it was over the limit lol? Some of you guys, man, all I can say is no wonder Donald Trump is so popular. You are his target voter, immune to facts.

Look, it's time to find a new fighter to support. I recommend fighters like Sergey Kovalev who even try to fight the most dangerous guys like Artur Beterbiev in their homecoming fights! That's a real warrior. He went from targeting Stevenson, to fighting BHOP, to fighting Pascal, to targeting Beterbiev, to now fighting Ward if Ward doesn't pull out. If all of them had fought him, that means he would have fought Stevenson, BHop, Pascal, Beterbiev, and Ward back to back. That's the best opponent list/attempted opponent list in a row we've seen in boxing the last decade. That kind of daring to be great is what boxing fans should support, not duckers who drop out of fights over "dirty" drug tests that turn out to be not even 10% of a dirty test, a full 93% below the allowable limit, totally microscopic and legal.

Come on yall, put boxing first for once. Stop supporting duckers just because they're the same skin color as you! Yall better than that!

That's assuming you know the skin color of those who post here. I'm not even surprise you went there, singing Broner's greatest hits huh? Lame fuck

[Outwest Exp 355]

Yep, and he's decided to fight another old, short, fat body. Arreola. LOL

Arreola is not old and he definitely isn't short. He's still a walking fat body though.

[Redd Foxx]

What's wrong with yall? He didn't cheat. Anything below 1 microgram was legal, and he took 7% that much. 7%. He wasn't even 10% of the way towards cheating. He was way closer to zero than he was to doing anything against the rules. He did not fail the drug test, Wilder just pretended he did to get out of the fight. If yall hate Povetkin because he's white, just say so, but don't make **** up. Stick with the facts otherwise what's the point even talking about it?

Your mind is in it's own, tiny little world. That's why you are so enraged and everything seems illogical to you. You've deluded yourself into believing that traces of an illegal substance just magically manifested without sin. Come to grips with the hard reality of things, they got there by using peds. Wilder is not the one who cancelled the fight, stop making things up.

[Boxing Logic]

I really don't even feel like arguing this subject. Povetkin blew it and it's his fault. But everyone knows that Wilder is a b1tch and was high fiving himself that this happened so that he can feast on more b-level top 20 contenders.

He gave him a way out and he took it.

I would have agreed with this a few days ago, but since then we've learned Povetkin did not actually fail any test, so it wasn't his fault. The part about Wilder is still true and it was obvious how gleeful he was that he had an excuse to duck the fight, he's the most protected heavyweight "champion" in history (not really a champion either since he never beat a champ, just someone who got a vacated belt), but now we know it's totally on Wilder. If Povetkin had failed the test with over 1 microgram, I would agree with you, but he didn't even have 10% that much, what he had was perfectly legal and such a small amount it could only have come from left over amounts from last year.

Even this boxingscene article describes the amount of meldonium in Povektin's system as extremely minor, which in this case also means well below the legal limit. So if Wilder canceled the fight over an "extremely minor" amount of this substance that was well within the legal amount, how do we blame Povetkin? Povetkin did nothing illegal, he wasn't even close to having an illegal amount in his system, he could have had 14 times as much and it still would have been legal, but Wilder canceled the fight even though his opponent did nothing illegal. That's just a plain duck and it's all on Wilder and there's zero debate. Wilder fans will try to make up some bull**** but the discussion is over in terms of the facts and objective people. Povetkin's levels were legal so the fight should have gone on, period. Wilder canceled it because he's Haymon's heavyweight creation who was managed to winning an interim title but has never fought anyone and apparently never will. It's all on him and his team.

[Boxing Logic]

Your mind is in it's own, tiny little world. That's why you are so enraged and everything seems illogical to you. You've deluded yourself into believing that traces of an illegal substance just magically manifested without sin. Come to grips with the hard reality of things, they got there by using peds. Wilder is not the one who cancelled the fight, stop making things up.

No it manifested because it wasn't illegal just three months earlier before his test, and the substance can stay in an athlete's system for an unknown amount of time. Is that so complicated? I'm not enraged but you're right that all the posts from Wilder's fans here are illogical. Their arguments keep getting exposed so they just keep going in circles back to the old ones again. You'll probably go back to "but then how come some of his tests were clean if he didn't take it this year?" now that this argument is addressed, even though that's been explained many times too. Even this argument about "why'd he take anything illegal at all?" has been addressed. As long as a substance is legal, athletes can take it, just like creatine. And this substance was legal in unlimited amounts up until last December, and was legal up to 1 microgram through late March this year to allow for residues from using it last year while it was legal to show up without fighters testing positive.

It's not complicated but you're thinking with your heart, your support for Wilder, not your brain otherwise you'd have realized that already.

And yes Wilder/Wilder's team canceled the fight. The WBC said it was postponed pending investigation, but Wilder's team was so eager to duck, they wanted to overrule the WBC right away so they called reporters to tell them the fight was OFF completely. The WBC postponed it - they wanted it canceled, and said it was canceled.

This, by the way, has also already been explained. I pulled the article up yesterday from ESPN where it said the WBC only postponed the fight. It was Wilder's team, I forget who exactly but it might have been DiBella, who kept pushing that no, the fight is OFF. They wanted out it's obvious.

[TripleGFightFan]

prime Iron Mike wouldnt give a F.

a prime american heavyweight champion sporting a 36-0 35KO record shouldnt either...

lost a lot of respect for Wilder.

Because prime iron Mike was coked out...

[Outwest Exp 355]

WBC mandated Wilder face a real fighter cause Povetkin is ranked #1. So yes Povetkin is right cause you see what wilder choices are but he chooses, arreola. While Joshua fights the real fighters, Martin and Breazeale both big and unbeaten

Martin is a bum. That clown hasn't thrown a punch in 2 fights. At least Arreola will come to fight.

[Sugarhitman]

Questions? There's no question now that WADA said Povetkin only had 0.07 micrograms of meldonium in his body when up to 1 microgram is allowed. That means Wilder and the WBC got it wrong because they're so amateur or corrupt, Povetkin never failed any test! He could have had 14 times as much meldonium that he had, because 14 times 0.07 is 0.98, and it still would have been allowed. He wasn't even close to cheating.

Now that we know the facts, it's clear Wilder just ducked out of the fight. He pretended Povetkin tested dirty, and the WBC and the boxing media I guess went along with it because they didn't know the rules or because they're corrupt, but Povetkin didn't actually test dirty.

Since Povetkin did not actually fail any drug test, and actually had 14 times less of the substance in his body than is allowed, that means Wilder dropped out of the fight against a clean fighter. He created an excuse that has fallen apart now that the facts have come out, and he just dropped out. He ducked.

It's crazy because I remember reading here how so many people were predicting Wilder would duck Povetkin, how they could tell Wilder never wanted to fight him, but Wilder had a few fans here who kept defending him, and then when the fight got signed, they said "see? He's going to knock Povetkin out! He was never scared! Bomb Squad!" But as usual the biased Haymon fans were wrong, just like when they defended Stevenson for years until it became obvious even to them. You guys owe an apology to all the posters who predicted Wilder would duck Povetkin because they were right.

And just so you're wondering, this is why you don't give boxers credit for fights until they actually fight. Wilder hasn't fought a top guy his whole career, but you wanted to give him credit for fighting just one B+ guy in Povetkin, one, before he even fought him.

It's similar with Andre Ward. He hasn't fought one A fighter his whole career, and it's been five years since he even fought a B+ fighter like old Abraham/Kessler or Froch, but you already want to give him credit for fighting Kovalev. Even though fighting only one A fighter like Kovalev every five years still isn't often enough for my liking as a boxing fan, I will still give Ward massive credit for fighting Kovalev just because my expectations are so low of boxing these days, even one good fight is something to be thankful for, that's how much we boxing fans have been used as doormats, but until Ward stops giving different answers every time someone asks him about whether Kovalev will happen this year, and until he actually fights him and proves he's not going to fake an injury to get out of the fight, you can't give him credit.

That's the mistake yall keep making. These ducking fighters create a pattern of never fighting anyone good, but then yall question why people are skeptical that they will go through with a good fight. Guess what, you never heard that about Ruslan Provodnikov, for example, when he signed to face Lucas Matthysse. Yall never heard "Matthysse can punch really hard, Provodnikov might fake an injury to get out of this one." That's because Ruslan has a history of fighting the best so boxing fans know to trust him that he will always try to fight the best.

But when Danny signed to fight Lucas? Many people worried he would fake an injury to get out. Now why is this? Were people just racist against Philly Ricans? Na it aint that. It's because real boxing fans recognize patterns. And smart boxing fans can recognize patterns early. They can tell the difference between the fighters who really want to fight the best, who fans can rely on always trying to fight the best, and the fighters who get cornered into taking one good fight reluctantly who you know won't ever fight another one even if they win.

That doesn't mean we're always right when we recognize those patterns, but since we come from an objective place unlike many racial boxing fans, we're in a good position to recognize the patterns 99% of the time. And usually what we say early gets confirmed later. People always made fun of Danny and Danny's dad because they could tell, even without insider knowledge, that Danny's dad was protecting him. Then a few months ago, Danny's dad did an interview where he said Danny shouldn't fight the best, that he didn't believe in fighting the best.

Same with Adonis Stevenson. We were all with him after the Dawson fight, but objective people could recognize very quickly after that that he would be the type of "champ" that holds the belt hostage and ducks everyone. But for years racial boxing fans tried to defend this guy. Eventually it became so obvious, our initial claim of Adonis being a ducker and ****ty "champion" was proven right, to everyone, but as usual the racial boxing fans were years behind in figuring it out.

Wilder is just the latest example, and he used a trickier strategy to fool yall, because he knew everyone would fall for the drug angle because of all the su****ions about Russian athletes after the Sharapova issue. This is going to give him really good cover with the fans who don't look into it, but as it turns out, Povetkin only had 7% of the allowed amount of meldonium, so he wasn't even close, not even with 90%, of cheating. That means Wilder dropped out of a fight against someone who never failed a drug test, no matter what misinformed media report, which is the definition of a duck.

You would have an argument if trace amounts were discovered in the previous tests....the trace amounts showed up in the last test which is strong evidence of doping after the ban and between testing.

Hes a drug cheat plain and simple.