Comments Thread For: Povetkin's Promoter: WBC's Investigation Will Take a Few Months

[Eff Pandas]

I'm sure Nevada Athletic Commission should have something to say soon.

I know we all, or most, see the NSAC as THE commission, but why does the NSAC need to do anything here? The fight wasn't in Nevada. The NSAC had nothing to do with the testing. And Povetkin isn't trying to fight in Nevada now. Whats Nevada going to say or do here?

Boxing is a circus is the first problem with most things in boxing. Should there be some higher boxing entity to make a call here & say Povetkin is suspended for x period of time? Sure. But right now we got a system where everyone is running their own little situation & others choose to listen or not listen to those who laid out there decision. The good part is usually they listen, the bad part is you got some commissions banning someone for 60 days for anabolic steroids & others taking more realistic measures to punish PED users.

[Boxing Logic]

Guy tests positive for a banned substance. B sample confirms this. Fight is canceled. We need to investigate for a couple months. Wait what? You lost me on that last part. This seems like a ban situation, even if its a weak 6 month ban as I suspect it will be.

I feel like WBC guy is playing don't piss off the billionaire who just paid $7M to put on one of the biggest fights in Russia boxing history.

You're lost because you remain oblivious to key facts. He did not test positive. He had some of it in his system, but an allowable amount. It was below the limit, meaning he passed the test. To fail the test, to test "positive," it has to be above the minimum amount.

So something weird is going on here. Wilder's team must have pressured the WBC behind the scenes to delay the fight, or there was miscommunication where everyone involved with the fight on Wilder's side and the WBC's side thought Povetkin tested positive, but it took WADA to educate them that 0.07 micrograms is actually allowed.

This is what you guys are too biased or ****** to understand. This isn't a normal situation where a fighter pops dirty for a PED and the fight gets canceled. Povetkin never popped dirty at all. He never failed the test.

So the question you should be asking is, why did the fight get postponed when Povetkin never failed the test? And why are so many outlets reporting he failed the test when he never failed the test? That's what you guys should be trying to figure out instead of auditioning for promotions within Bum Squad's entourage.

[Boxing Logic]

But anti-black fans will continue to say Wilder did a fancy duck and nothing is wrong with Povetkin's tset

You're right about one thing, which is that there is a disagreement between two sides of this debate because one side is very racially biased. The question we have to answer is, which side of the debate is being objective, and which side of the debate is the racially biased side?

To figure this out, we have to find a neutral party, a constant, that we can rely on to not be racially biased, and then see which group's argument is in line with that neutral party.

The neutral party in this case is WADA, and WADA says up to 1 microgram of meldonium is allowed, meaning Povetkin did nothing wrong and passed WADA guidelines with ease.

From that information, we know which group is racially biased. It is black, anti-white people who love ducking boxers and cowards like Wilder, while constantly criticizing white fighters like GGG who try to fight everyone in their division. It even took years of Adonis Stevenson ducking before this group of fans gave up on him. Neutral, white boxing fans could tell from the very beginning that Stevenson was a coward who would duck Kovalev. They tried to tell you! From the very beginning when Kovalev was asked about fighting Stevenson, he said hell yeah, but when Stevenson was asked about fighting Kovalev, he said "How about Bernard Hopkin! That's who my fans want to see!"

Then Stevenson signed with Haymon before making the Kovalev fight, which everyone knew, including Stevenson, would ruin that fight. But he did it anyway. It was obvious to everyone who wasn't anti-white and pro-black, but black fans still tried to defend him. Only after he ducked Hopkins and Pascal, two black fighters black fans also like (especially Hopkins), did black fans start to care about the ducking because now it was being done to black fighters too which are the only fighters they seem to care about.

So this is what it's like. Yall think you're the objective ones, and white fans are the biased ones, but time after time white fans tell you the truth about what's going on and yall don't want to see it. Now the most objective, neutral, non-racist organization there is, WADA, is telling yall that Povetkin didn't fail any test, but yall still calling him PEDVetkin and saying he failed the test. So who is biased and who's objective? Is the group that ignores the facts from WADA objective, or is the group that accepts the facts from WADA objective?

You think whites hate Wilder, but whites actually have an objective view of Wilder. It's just that you love Wilder, and hate Povetkin, so to you objectivity towards Wilder looks like hate. It's like NBA fans who watch their home team with homer announcers all regular season, but then in the playoffs the games are on TNT with neutral, national announcers, and both teams in the series think the announcers are homers for the other team and against their team.

Nope, it's just that both fanbases are so used to having homer announcers that favor their team, that now when they have to listen to announcers who are simply neutral, it feels like they're against their team because they're used to homers.

Same here. You are so used to loving Wilder, and talking with fans that love Wilder, who are Wilder homers, that now analysis that is objective about Wilder feels anti-Wilder to you. But it's not. It's just objective. You're the one with the bias who is used to pro-Wilder coverage. You probably also get all your boxing news from FightHype and Dontae's Boxing Nation, the two most biased boxing media outlets that exist, so your facts and understanding of the sport get twisted there too. We're just bringing you back to reality with facts. But don't just believe us, believe WADA.

[Shadoww702]

You're lost because you remain oblivious to key facts. He did not test positive. He had some of it in his system, but an allowable amount. It was below the limit, meaning he passed the test. To fail the test, to test "positive," it has to be above the minimum amount.

So something weird is going on here. Wilder's team must have pressured the WBC behind the scenes to delay the fight, or there was miscommunication where everyone involved with the fight on Wilder's side and the WBC's side thought Povetkin tested positive, but it took WADA to educate them that 0.07 micrograms is actually allowed.

This is what you guys are too biased or ****** to understand. This isn't a normal situation where a fighter pops dirty for a PED and the fight gets canceled. Povetkin never popped dirty at all. He never failed the test.

So the question you should be asking is, why did the fight get postponed when Povetkin never failed the test? And why are so many outlets reporting he failed the test when he never failed the test? That's what you guys should be trying to figure out instead of auditioning for promotions within Bum Squad's entourage.

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So the question you should be asking is, why did that POS have to CHEAT??? Or why is a PRO boxer taking HEART MEDICINE??? To CHEAT of course.

Why are you so FKN ******???

[Shadoww702]

You're right about one thing, which is that there is a disagreement between two sides of this debate because one side is very racially biased. The question we have to answer is, which side of the debate is being objective, and which side of the debate is the racially biased side?

To figure this out, we have to find a neutral party, a constant, that we can rely on to not be racially biased, and then see which group's argument is in line with that neutral party.

The neutral party in this case is WADA, and WADA says up to 1 microgram of meldonium is allowed, meaning Povetkin did nothing wrong and passed WADA guidelines with ease.

From that information, we know which group is racially biased. It is black, anti-white people who love ducking boxers and cowards like Wilder, while constantly criticizing white fighters like GGG who try to fight everyone in their division. It even took years of Adonis Stevenson ducking before this group of fans gave up on him. Neutral, white boxing fans could tell from the very beginning that Stevenson was a coward who would duck Kovalev. They tried to tell you! From the very beginning when Kovalev was asked about fighting Stevenson, he said hell yeah, but when Stevenson was asked about fighting Kovalev, he said "How about Bernard Hopkin! That's who my fans want to see!"

Then Stevenson signed with Haymon before making the Kovalev fight, which everyone knew, including Stevenson, would ruin that fight. But he did it anyway. It was obvious to everyone who wasn't anti-white and pro-black, but black fans still tried to defend him. Only after he ducked Hopkins and Pascal, two black fighters black fans also like (especially Hopkins), did black fans start to care about the ducking because now it was being done to their fighters too.

So this is what it's like. Yall think you're the objective ones, and white fans are the biased ones, but time after time white fans tell you the truth about what's going on and yall don't want to see it. Now the most objective, neutral, non-racist organization there is, WADA, is telling yall that Povetkin didn't fail any test, but yall still calling him PEDVetkin and saying he failed the test. So who is biased and who's objective? Is the group that ignores the facts from WADA objective, or is the group that accepts the facts from WADA objective?

You think whites hate Wilder, but whites actually have an objective view of Wilder. It's just that you love Wilder, and hate Povetkin, so to you objectivity towards Wilder looks like hate. It's like NBA fans who watch their home team with homer announcers all regular season, but then in the playoffs the games are on TNT with neutral, national announcers, and both teams in the series think the announcers are homers for the other team and against their team.

Nope, it's just that both fanbases are so used to having homer announcers that favor their team, that now when they have to listen to announcers who are simply neutral, it feels like they're against their team because they're used to homers.

Same here. You are so used to loving Wilder, and talking with fans that love Wilder, who are Wilder homers, that now analysis that is objective about Wilder feels anti-Wilder to you. But it's not. It's just objective. You're the one with the bias who is used to pro-Wilder coverage. You probably also get all your boxing news from FightHype and Dontae's Boxing Nation, the two most biased boxing media outlets that exist, so your facts and understanding of the sport get twisted there too. We're just bringing you back to reality with facts. But don't just believe us, believe WADA.

Are you SUCKING PEDovetkin's C@CK???

[Shadoww702]

I know we all, or most, see the NSAC as THE commission, but why does the NSAC need to do anything here? The fight wasn't in Nevada. The NSAC had nothing to do with the testing. And Povetkin isn't trying to fight in Nevada now. Whats Nevada going to say or do here?

Boxing is a circus is the first problem with most things in boxing. Should there be some higher boxing entity to make a call here & say Povetkin is suspended for x period of time? Sure. But right now we got a system where everyone is running their own little situation & others choose to listen or not listen to those who laid out there decision. The good part is usually they listen, the bad part is you got some commissions banning someone for 60 days for anabolic steroids & others taking more realistic measures to punish PED users.

Is that dude REALLY that FKN ******??? Why does she ROOT for such a POS cheat???

[Eff Pandas]

Is that dude REALLY that FKN ******??? Why does she ROOT for such a POS cheat???

What are you talking about??? lol. Breath brother. Calm down.

I'm just saying the NSAC doesn't have any jurisdiction with this situation. Saying the NSAC should do something here is like saying the LAPD should get involved in a property dispute in Chile.

[Shadoww702]

What are you talking about??? lol. Breath brother. Calm down.

I'm just saying the NSAC doesn't have any jurisdiction with this situation. Saying the NSAC should do something here is like saying the LAPD should get involved in a property dispute in Chile.

Yeah I do have to chill. I just HATE cheats! You don't really believe his story do you? He just failed his drug test by accident do you?? Poor PEDovetking...

[Boxing Logic]

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So the question you should be asking is, why did that POS have to CHEAT??? Or why is a PRO boxer taking HEART MEDICINE??? To CHEAT of course.

Why are you so FKN ******???

How FKN ****** are you? He didn't cheat. To cheat means you broke the rules of the sport. And the rules say you can have up to 1 microgram of meldonium in your body at the time he was tested. He had 14 times less than that. So he was not even close to cheating. You get it lol? Damn you are slow to understand this stuff.

You keep asking me ridiculous questions and I keep answering them. Every one of your points is wrong and easy to explain. That explanation should be good enough but I know you're going to ask "but why would a boxer take something to help their performance?" next, so let me explain that to you too.

Every boxer takes supplements to help their performance, just like body builders take creatine. The doctors who have studied meldonium aren't convinced it's any more effective than creatine and even caffeine, but athletes are always trying to get in the best shape possible, so as long as the substance is allowed by their sport and they think it can help them, they will take it if they don't think it can hurt their health. Meldonium was legal last year, and Povetkin thought it might help him a tiny bit, so he took it, just like creatine or anything else athletes take that is legal. Very simple.

And to answer your next question after that for the fifth time, yes, it can stay in your system for many months. Doctors don't know how long it can take, that's what the investigation is about with the WBC, but the investigation shouldn't matter because the amount he had in his system was allowed at that time.

Understand yet? The amount of the substance he had in his body was legal, and the reason he ever took it in the first place is because the substance itself was also legal up until very recently.

Get it? Your boxer, Wilder, ducked the fight, period. He never wanted the fight, he delayed it as long as possible asking for another interim fight according to boxingscene, and then he took the first excuse he could find to duck out of it. End of story. He's never gone after the best fights, and he's super protected. He's not the type of fighter any real boxing fan would root for. He's all talk and bravado, but doesn't back it up by going after the best opponents. It's time for you to find a new boxer to root for because no real boxing fan roots for boxers who don't want to fight the best.

If you want some suggestions on which boxers are actually worth rooting for, you should definitely start with Sergey Kovalev. He's undefeated, fights with a spectacular style, tried to unify with the other best fighter in his division, Stevenson, but got ducked, then went and fought the next best two guys as soon as they would fight him, Hopkins and Pascal, and dominated them both. Then when it was time to have a homecoming fight in Russia, instead of taking a soft touch like most boxers do, he made an offer to Artur Beterbiev, one of the scariest fighters in boxing. Beterbiev said he would fight him if offered, but then once he got offered, he ducked too, which is why you shouldn't root for Beterbiev either, he's just another Haymon fighter doing the same things as Wilder, at least so far.

Another boxer you should check out is GGG. He's been ducked by three straight lineal champions in his division. He dominated the 2nd best fighter in his division, David Lemieux, who was also the best guy that would fight him. If you go by reality instead of corrupt judges in Argentina, GGG is also the lineal middleweight champion because he beat Martin Murray, who most agree beat Sergio Martinez in Argentina. GGG is very close to beating Bernard Hopkins' meaningless middleweight title defense record, which is a ****** thing in the age of 4 title belts and cherry picking, but it will be a nice footnote on his resume. He's also undefeated and fights with an amazing boxer-puncher, power style with the best cutting off the ring footwork in boxing currently. He signed to fight Pirog before Pirog's injury, and has been ducked by Martinez, Sturm, Cotto, Canelo so far, Quillin, Danny Jacobs, Chavez jr, and many others. He also respects his opponents, never holds, and is a nice, fun guy outside of the ring.

Definitely the right kind of boxer to root for in the future. Once you feel what it's like to root for the guys who actually get ducked, instead of the duckers, you will see it's a much better fan experience.


Another fighter you should check out is Rigondeaux. Many do not like his style, but he chased Donaire until Donaire would fight him, and has tried to make fights with Leo Santa Cruz, Abner Mares, Carl Frampton, Scott Quigg, and many others who have all ducked him. He is also undefeated and another great example of a boxer who tries to fight all the best fighters in his division and make those fights for the fans. When you support fighters like that, you put pressure on boxing and the ducking boxers to make the best fights, and as a fan you will get to see more great fights. But when you support fighters like Wilder and Stevenson who avoid the best fights, you send the message to them and to boxing that they don't need to deliver good fights, because all you care about is their skin color so they can do no wrong and keep fighting nobodies and you will keep paying for it like you've been hypnotized or something. So if you actually care about the sport, and good fights, basically if you're into boxing for more than race and actually like boxing and good fights, then those three guys are definitely who you should support, not Wilder or Stevenson or other Haymon fighters who avoid the best fights.

[Shadoww702]

Deontay Wilder-Alexander Povetkin title fight postponed

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...iled-drug-test

Russian Boxer Povetkin Fails Drug Test Ahead of Wilder Fight - ABC ...

Frustrated Wilder on Povetkin's positive drug test

You REALLY need me to go on you POS cheat lover!!!! I can provide THOUSANDS of links where ALL say that C@CKSUKER FAILED...