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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    #21
    Originally posted by fists_of_fury
    did weight hurt chad dawson when he fought andre ward?

    absolutely.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Fists_of_Fury
      Did weight hurt Chad Dawson when he fought Andre Ward?
      Originally posted by boliodogs
      If a boxer comes in overweight and won't lose that weight his opponent has every right to refuse to fight him so what is the problem? Rules and contracts should be followed and enforced or otherwise of what use are they? Jones and Toney fighting as heavyweights where there are no weight limits has exactly nothing to do with a boxer rightfully refusing to fight another boxer who failed to make the contracted weight.
      Entire shows have been canceled for that reason because each commish requires a show to have a certain amount of rounds on it. ONE fight called off can and does call for the whole show to be canceled and the promoter, venue, etc lose all monies put up in advance. THAT is the problem with it. The point is, we have contracts YES and each guy should make the weight YES... but in reality... a half pound between two trained athletes will mean ZERO. NOTHING. But people will stand there arguing over it, leaving the show in the balance.

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      • lopetego
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        #23
        Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
        I understand that...fair point... but, at that point in their careers, I dont know if the weight made the big, big difference there... Gatti was a PUNCHER and Joey was at the very end...but my main point is... ONE POUND MEANS NOTHING...NOTHING...ZERO....BUT PEOPLE FIGHT OVER IT LIKE ITS 100 pounds...
        Bull****

        One pound means nothing? maybe for a couch potato like you

        but for an athlete who's already at his ideal weight or is struggling to make weight to stay in a certain division, even losing one extra pound can be HELL.

        You just have to look at Canelo, the guy is paying his opponents extra money to fight at 155, he even paid Angulo 100k extra so he didn't have to shed one pound to 154.

        he's losing money and credibility and facing a lot of criticism by fighting at his made up class, and you can be sure he's not doing it šjust causeš. he's doing it because even losing that extra pound is hell for him

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          #24
          Originally posted by lopetego
          Bull****

          One pound means nothing? maybe for a couch potato like you

          but for an athlete who's already at his ideal weight or is struggling to make weight to stay in a certain division, even losing one extra pound can be HELL.

          You just have to look at Canelo, the guy is paying his opponents extra money to fight at 155, he even paid Angulo 100k extra so he didn't have to shed one pound to 154.

          he's losing money and credibility and facing a lot of criticism by fighting at his made up class, and you can be sure he's not doing it šjust causeš. he's doing it because even losing that extra pound is hell for him
          Nah, IN the ring... on fight night... in all actuality, 1 pound means NOTHING... ZERO...NADA... its just used to gain a financial addition and a mental edge to a weaker minded person who lets his affect him.. but, in REALITY.. the one pound will have no bearing. Its a non-issue.

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            #25
            Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
            Nah, IN the ring... on fight night... in all actuality, 1 pound means NOTHING... ZERO...NADA... its just used to gain a financial addition and a mental edge to a weaker minded person who lets his affect him.. but, in REALITY.. the one pound will have no bearing. Its a non-issue.
            On fight night your absolutely right 1 pound means nothing , but at the weighin when youre already dried out and must take another one pound or two off it matters and in some cases it matters a lot .

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              #26
              Originally posted by lopetego
              Bull****

              One pound means nothing? maybe for a couch potato like you

              but for an athlete who's already at his ideal weight or is struggling to make weight to stay in a certain division, even losing one extra pound can be HELL.

              You just have to look at Canelo, the guy is paying his opponents extra money to fight at 155, he even paid Angulo 100k extra so he didn't have to shed one pound to 154.

              he's losing money and credibility and facing a lot of criticism by fighting at his made up class, and you can be sure he's not doing it šjust causeš. he's doing it because even losing that extra pound is hell for him
              You obviously don't know who you're talking to.

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              • baya
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                #27
                Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
                You obviously don't know who you're talking to.
                the ***n balls on the guy.

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                • Weltschmerz
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                  #28
                  Fights shouldn't be cancelled over 1-2 pounds. As we see a lot of fighters rehydrate a lot for the fight anyway and there will be weight gaps. As others point out catchweights are mostly a negotiation tool and Canelo Alvarez is the most obvious current example. 5-10 lbs matters but not 1-2 lbs. And we saw huge weight differences in significant fights, historically.

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                  • Larry the boss
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                    #29
                    It basically boils down to a fighters belief in themselves or really their promoters confidence in the fighter

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                    • BennyST
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by lopetego
                      Bull****

                      One pound means nothing? maybe for a couch potato like you

                      but for an athlete who's already at his ideal weight or is struggling to make weight to stay in a certain division, even losing one extra pound can be HELL.

                      You just have to look at Canelo, the guy is paying his opponents extra money to fight at 155, he even paid Angulo 100k extra so he didn't have to shed one pound to 154.

                      he's losing money and credibility and facing a lot of criticism by fighting at his made up class, and you can be sure he's not doing it šjust causeš. he's doing it because even losing that extra pound is hell for him
                      Yeah, a couch potato that was a top pro and world title challenger and trainer to fighters like Chad Dawson, among others. Total couch potato.

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