Fighters Today Are A Bunch Of Sissies

[-Antonio-]

Blame Al Haymon. Until he came around I don't remember fighters getting paid so much to do so little. In fact if boxing does indeed go through the dead phase that it very well could go through these next few years, it's going to be because of him.

If you look at other promoters like TR, Goosen days, Shaw, etc. they found a way to get good fights made. Even Don King wasn't THIS bad.

[Bardock]

Agreed Op! Go show em how it's done...

lol //thread

[NearHypnos]

Canelo is a embarrassment I never want to hear someone say that he is the best Mexican fighter right now. He is nothing but another Chavez Jr. but with better talent and work ethic but he just beats up on smaller old faded fighters of guys that are not in his weight class. He can't lose on the cards because he already has a 4 round advantage before the bell even rings. When he gets outboxed and looks lost in there......"my opponent didn't want to fight me"

You're mad about Cotto aren't you?


Canelo only lost to Floyd and Lara really did avoid all action...

So he KOd Khan...that was a bad fight but other than that he's been solid. Who are all these old small fighters he's bringing up? Outside of Khan? I'd much rather see Khan vs Ginger than Floyd vs Berto or Pac vs Algieri..or GGG vs Ishida.. At least I care about both fighters (Khan and Canelo and despite the hate we give Khan, he's usually a solid guy to watch fight and generally entertaining).

I don't fully disagree with tc though. It's tough for a fan but the mma argument is hilarious. If Dana doesn't like you you'll be waiting on the wings a while... Remember Jon fitch? Even mma is a popularity contest but they have the advantage of being a league that's borderline monopolizing the sport... Go figure though... Mma fighters, many of them are really unhappy with their pay and way they're treated and wish they had it like in boxing.


The ufc is basically like..if Al Haymon ONLY matched up his fighters against each other...oh....wait...

There's no inbetween... Either the business side prevails and takes advantage of the fighters (ufc) or the fighters get their "just due" and make business decisions for themselves but we as fans can be left out in the loop for a few months because guys in boxing can't walk around with 12-9 records and generally be successful. In most cases, in boxing..dudes have spent years and years in the amateurs, years in the pros slowly building a name and 20-30 fighters later they're finally making money... You can be good in MMA for like a year or two and you're ontop of the world... or be famous and get a hw title shot (Lesnar).

Think CM punk would appear on a major boxing card? Lol

Both sides have their huge cons.

There will never be an ideal scenario.

People forget the kind of s hit promoters used to get away with in boxing (and still do) and how everything wasnt always so easy.

And who doesnt know a single guy irl that likes boxing? Where the hell do you live? North Dakota where it's just a bunch of drunk white guy mma fans?

Mma is fun..I love it..but boxing transcends..it's a culture for many and the history/prestige in some countries for being a former/current world champ is amazing.

Mma is popular in america because lets face it... White guys do better in mma than boxing. Think people would care if it was just a bunch of black dudes, bea ners, and brazilians with zero good white fighters?


The talent level in boxing is higher than in MMA (for now) as it's just been around longer..has history in other countries where it's not just "cool" to box but it often comes from necessity and it's an extremely honorable profession in terms of public perception.

We've all seen it... The newbie "mma guy" who trains at an mma gym, wears his tapout gear...thinks he can wrestle and choke out the world..no one takes that seriously unfortunately. The history isnt there.


Now go to Mexico..the Phillipines, Japan, the UK, Russia, etc etc and say you're a boxer? Waaaaaay different attitude. Say you're an mma fighter in mexico and they just go "You arent that good at boxing?" I've seen it..hell I see it in the west coast here in the states. Black and mexicans just kind of see MMA in that kind of light where if you couldnt make it in boxing. Its an unfair stigma

My viewpoint is different in that I grew up in a big boxing family so there's clear bias...just a disclaimer lol.

I follow mma very closely though and as a fellow "student" I guess you could say of combat, I respect them as much as boxers. But the talent just isn't there yet..there are a few guys but the rest are far behind the Jon Jones, GSPs, Demetrius Johnson's, etc. if you've got the temperament, MMA right now is MUCH more accessible than boxing if you've got a bit of talent..you can take a pretty short road to the majors..not so in boxing. Just my opinion

[Straight Up]

and with boxing today it's clear as day and night who will win the fight. it's like there's no more excitement about it.

when was the last time when you had the feeling of excitement and nervousness as when you did when you saw Pac vs Marquez fights except for 3rd fight? when cotto was battering margarito during their first fight then suddenly margarito ko'd him with teh plastah? the pac vs cotto early rounds? the morales vs barrera fights? the juan manuel lopez vs salido fights?

[Luilun]

Canelo is the leader of the pack right now.

I'd say Deontay Wilder has him beat

[Luilun]

Blame Al Haymon. Until he came around I don't remember fighters getting paid so much to do so little. In fact if boxing does indeed go through the dead phase that it very well could go through these next few years, it's going to be because of him.

If you look at other promoters like TR, Goosen days, Shaw, etc. they found a way to get good fights made. Even Don King wasn't THIS bad.

Add Mayweather to the list

[Dr Rumack]

I think the fans and media are the sissies. They're the ones who defend and sometimes even celebrate this stuff. It wouldn't be possible without their complicity.

[New England]

As much as I think Mayweather is a great fighter he ruined the sport of boxing. These young fighters all want to be like Floyd but Floyd paid his dues to get to the point where he was making 8 figures. These new fighters want to get paid handsomely and are so scared to lose that "0" that they don't take risks.

Danny Garcia is a fighter that is terrible at this point of his career after the Matthysse win its like he expects to make $1+ million to fight old faded fighters. Stevenson don't even get me started he is still living off that Dawson KO and look what type of fighter Dawson is now

thank al haymon for that. he's the one who made it acceptable, even cool, for boxers to say "**** fans, i fight for money."



don't get me wrong, i'd want al haymon managing me if i fought, because you risk your health and can potentially become a millionaire, something the layman really doesn't fully undrestand.


but it is damaging to boxing. floyd and manny was delayed for 6 f#cking years. both were ready to retire.

[New England]

Blame Al Haymon. Until he came around I don't remember fighters getting paid so much to do so little. In fact if boxing does indeed go through the dead phase that it very well could go through these next few years, it's going to be because of him.

If you look at other promoters like TR, Goosen days, Shaw, etc. they found a way to get good fights made. Even Don King wasn't THIS bad.

a heck of a book is going to come out about haytmon in the years to come. it will either be about a monumental failure of hte networks to budget and price fights properly, or involve some pictures of HBO execs nailing hookers and doing blow. a manager / "advisor" has never had this kind of influence over TV networks. it is compeltely unique, and responsible for the mismatches.

[New England]

I think the fans and media are the sissies. They're the ones who defend and sometimes even celebrate this stuff. It wouldn't be possible without their complicity.

i agree that it's tough to blame a fighter for wanting a long career and easy fights. or to be able to talk when he's done boxing. or pay for meals.


HBO and showtime shouldn't be blameless, either. they buy these fights.