Father/son relatioship?

[WesternChamp]

How do you guys feel about a father and son relationship in boxing? Me, personally i feel like this is a bad idea because a father will never be satisfy with what his son is doing. I was watching some clips of shawn porter training and his pops stops him every time he throws a punch. it's rediculous and im amaze shawn made it this far. in some instance it even looks like shawn is confused at what his pops is saying because he's been stopped so many times in one take.

[Scipio2009]

How do you guys feel about a father and son relationship in boxing? Me, personally i feel like this is a bad idea because a father will never be satisfy with what his son is doing. I was watching some clips of shawn porter training and his pops stops him every time he throws a punch. it's rediculous and im amaze shawn made it this far. in some instance it even looks like shawn is confused at what his pops is saying because he's been stopped so many times in one take.

Father/son, literal or simply figurative, is the only training relationship that's shown itself to work over boxing, from what I can tell. Shawn and Kenny Porter's routine may look odd from the outside in, but it works for them (Kenny would take a bullet for his son and, from the amateur they've been able to develop a world-class welterweight fighter working their way.

Angel/Danny, Virgil/Andre, Barry/Peterson brothers, Stafford/Broner, Robert/Mikey, Roger/Floyd, Derrick James/Spence Jr, etc are all productive relationships because each person trusts the other with their everything and both have bought in.

You mess that up (say put Adrien with Virgil, Danny with Robert, Mikey with Derrick James, etc) and you mess up the trust that's undergirded the fighters emerging as fighters; the teachers may still be great teachers, but teaching without that connection is tricky.

note: doing things the mix-and-match way isn't entirely unproductive. Freddie Roach, Naasim Richardson, Buddy McGirt, and a decent group of other trainers have been able to find really good success with training guys that they've picked up on the fly

[Boxfan83]

As a father that trains his sons, I have to disagree but I am bias of course. Father son relationships are the best for boxing. I love the Porters relationship btw and although I am not a DSG fan I really like him and his dads relationship too! You can tell their are hard asses but would die for their boys like me.

Anyways man, naturally as boys/men we look at our dads for approval, its natural for a boy or grown man not to want to let their dad down. I know when my boys train or scrap, when my eyes are on them, they train that much harder. Mostly all great fighters had their dads train them and most of their dads had no experience or weren't good pros themselves. Jack Mosley trained shane, Enzo trained Joe Calzaghe, Floyd Sr. trained lil Floyd etc. When you train your kids, 100% focus can be on them, when you send them to a gym they might train for years before a trainer takes em serious. I had/have a great father growing up but I wish he wouldve pushed me as hard as I do my boys, theres a difference from being good and being the best and I think a father has a better chance of bringing the best out of his son over some stranger.

[WesternChamp]

As a father that trains his sons, I have to disagree but I am bias of course. Father son relationships are the best for boxing. I love the Porters relationship btw and although I am not a DSG fan I really like him and his dads relationship too! You can tell their are hard asses but would die for their boys like me.

Anyways man, naturally as boys/men we look at our dads for approval, its natural for a boy or grown man not to want to let their dad down. I know when my boys train or scrap, when my eyes are on them, they train that much harder. Mostly all great fighters had their dads train them and most of their dads had no experience or weren't good pros themselves. Jack Mosley trained shane, Enzo trained Joe Calzaghe, Floyd Sr. trained lil Floyd etc. When you train your kids, 100% focus can be on them, when you send them to a gym they might train for years before a trainer takes em serious. I had/have a great father growing up but I wish he wouldve pushed me as hard as I do my boys, theres a difference from being good and being the best and I think a father has a better chance of bringing the best out of his son over some stranger.

here's what bothers me about a father/son relationship in boxing.

if the son is getting beaten up, the pride from the father will keep him from stopping the fight, etc. and that will further damage his son even more.

a dad will always go extra hard on his son because the dad feels that the son can do better, where as a normal trainer might be happy and satisfy with the way his fighter is performing.

and the floyd thing, floyd is gifted, floyd could be "train" by a kid and will still do good because floyd will always do floyd and not what he's being told by the trainer. half of the time, sr and roger is just there to be there. their not really contributing anything to floyd. floyd already know what he has to do and such.

[WesternChamp]

i'm not arguing that a father doesnt care about his son. i know kenny would take a bullet for shawn, my point is that the "caring" part is whats bad for this relationship. a father will expect way too much from his son and this could be a bad thing.

[Larry the boss]

It is a great thing when a father is putting the childs success first..as a father you see everything he does wrong and just want him to do it correctly...you actually love and care for that person and want nothing but the best for them..A bad father wants to live thru his child and make it all about him....

[Boxfan83]

here's what bothers me about a father/son relationship in boxing.

if the son is getting beaten up, the pride from the father will keep him from stopping the fight, etc. and that will further damage his son even more.

a dad will always go extra hard on his son because the dad feels that the son can do better, where as a normal trainer might be happy and satisfy with the way his fighter is performing.

and the floyd thing, floyd is gifted, floyd could be "train" by a kid and will still do good because floyd will always do floyd and not what he's being told by the trainer. half of the time, sr and roger is just there to be there. their not really contributing anything to floyd. floyd already know what he has to do and such.

I do agree with you that a father always thinks his son can do better but I have seen trainers do the same and personally I wouldnt want to see my son get mauled and I doubt Kenny porter would, Garcias dad might though lol hes a nut. Look at Robert Guerreros dad for instance, Guerrero was hurt bad against Thurman, some would justify him stopping it but his dad said, you know what time it is son and looked into his boys eyes and Guerrero brought it, he lost but manned up. I am almost certain if he wouldve been beaten to a pulp next round, even crazy ol Rueben wouldve stopped it or if he seen his son was done he wouldve stopped it in the corner but he knows what his son has. I know what each of my boys got, theyre all different and something that might motivate one doesnt the other. Than look at Freddie the Joke Coach Roach, he shouldve stopped Pascal from being mauled by Kovalev, that fight had to have taken life out of Pascal and Roach had no motivation for him, it was just another fighter.

And as for Floyd, I have to agree to disagree, I agree that Floyd is an exceptional athlete & he is physically built for the sport. BUT if you look at Roger and Floyd Sr, there is a lot of similarity in their style in Floyd, Floyd just perfected it and combined with his athleticism and physique it made him the un-beatable fighter we have today.

[soul_survivor]

Father/son, literal or simply figurative, is the only training relationship that's shown itself to work over boxing, from what I can tell. Shawn and Kenny Porter's routine may look odd from the outside in, but it works for them (Kenny would take a bullet for his son and, from the amateur they've been able to develop a world-class welterweight fighter working their way.

Angel/Danny, Virgil/Andre, Barry/Peterson brothers, Stafford/Broner, Robert/Mikey, Roger/Floyd, Derrick James/Spence Jr, etc are all productive relationships because each person trusts the other with their everything and both have bought in.

You mess that up (say put Adrien with Virgil, Danny with Robert, Mikey with Derrick James, etc) and you mess up the trust that's undergirded the fighters emerging as fighters; the teachers may still be great teachers, but teaching without that connection is tricky.

note: doing things the mix-and-match way isn't entirely unproductive. Freddie Roach, Naasim Richardson, Buddy McGirt, and a decent group of other trainers have been able to find really good success with training guys that they've picked up on the fly

Roget/Floyd is uncle and son and they've had problems but Floy sr has had even more problems with his son.

Then you have pairings like the Jones, the Mosleys and the DLHs (I think it was a more manager than coach but still a prominent part of the backroom staff). Eubank sr/jr may be heading towards similar problems.

There have been more negatives than positives really.

[Zaroku]

Depends on the character of the fathers. It is a very tough question to answer because there are too many variables.

Great question.

[Larry the boss]

here's what bothers me about a father/son relationship in boxing.

if the son is getting beaten up, the pride from the father will keep him from stopping the fight, etc. and that will further damage his son even more.

a dad will always go extra hard on his son because the dad feels that the son can do better, where as a normal trainer might be happy and satisfy with the way his fighter is performing.

and the floyd thing, floyd is gifted, floyd could be "train" by a kid and will still do good because floyd will always do floyd and not what he's being told by the trainer. half of the time, sr and roger is just there to be there. their not really contributing anything to floyd. floyd already know what he has to do and such.

This is simply not true..Floyd is gifted because his Father trained and pushed him to the limit.. All his lessons were instilled in him as a child and his father also had his brother to help out after he developed him and his uncle just went from there....The love and family connection made Floyd who he is the"special attention" goes a long way