Has anyone thought about it this way concerning GGG

[AneesMoha]

A few folks on this forum have stated about GGG wanting all the titles at middleweight is hurting his legacy/wallet because "Titles don't matter" and he isn't chasing "big fights".

Has anyone thought of it like this. If he gets all the belts he will be the only champion at middleweight. Which means there is only one person to fight if they want to be considered the best in the division. Therefore....the so called "big fights" will have to come to him.

Please let me know if I am wrong and tell me why.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

A few folks on this forum have stated about GGG wanting all the titles at middleweight is hurting his legacy/wallet because "Titles don't matter" and he isn't chasing "big fights".

Has anyone thought of it like this. If he gets all the belts he will be the only champion at middleweight. Which means there is only one person to fight if they want to be considered the best in the division. Therefore....the so called "big fights" will have to come to him.

Please let me know if I am wrong and tell me why.

This is what is so great about being undisputed champion. Sooner or later, they will all come to you. Either that, or they'll be shamed for being a coward. It's very simple and yes, it does work. If this sport had any integrity and we didn't have a hundred champions any more, this would be much more evident. When you wanted a title shot in the '40s, there was Joe Louis. You had to go through him to get it. Very simple.

[about.thousands]

Unification is nice. But not when you're 34. Time isn't on his side. Take a look at Jermall Charlo. He's probably moving up after this fight tonight. A fight with GGG is probably 2-3 years away. Guys aren't fighting 4-5 times a year so it takes them longer to move up the rankings.

[NearHypnos]

Well..that only applies to the guys with no REAL name recognition. BJS can hide away and fight in the UK for ever and make a decent living. Danny Jacobs can try to busy himself up until GGG shows some give. Canelo is 25 and the biggest name in the sport not named Pac/Floyd...and he's Mexican..he'll keep selling and dude could literally wait another 3-4 years if he wished and it is doubtful GGG, with his activity and age will be the same in 4 years time. Canelo can take his fights. Now, where it gets interesting is how long can the 154 pounders wanting to move up hold off? How long can they kill themselves to make 154 a few years from now? I mean..what's the point of vacating a title at 54 (for example) if you dont want to fight for one at 160 cuz GGG holds it? Nobody is going to move up a division and fight GGG in their first or second fight..

The only thing we can pray for is Oscar mans up and lets Canelo in with GGG and hope for the best. If its hard fought and Canelo does well even in defeat, it'll give others hope that Canelo at the very least softened up GGG or something crazy.. It'll also be worth it money wise for guys to get in. Nobody is going to get into him for a relatively small purse. Why? Because they'll likely lose in a manner that shows the world they'll reach the peak of the division as long as GGG is there. Lemieux had some nice buzz about him but after being embarassed we know his ceiling. Nothing he does will likely every be taken as serious because everythin will end with "yeah well he cant beat GGG so who cares?" It's career suicide for guys without the following of a Cotto or Canelo. Not in a retirement sense just in the we know how far you can go and where the road stops.


But until GGG gets Canelo and beats him he'll just be the other guy. He'll run out of opponents that the public will bother wanting to watch and have to move up. GGG getting all the titles actually would work against him. He's going to freeze the division. Jacobs and BJS are making respectable purses..they'll be in no hurry and until Canelo loses..the lineal championship will be what eludes GGG and what everyone will fight for when GGG has all the other belts.

Marvin Hagler is one of my top 5 favorite all time guys so I have no issue with a champion staying at 1 weight class...but I'm (and most of us here) aren't "typical" boxing fans..some of us have competed and others are die-hard fans/historians. That's not everyone though and people will eventually want him at 68. People will say "Canelo went up" or "Bhop went up" - "Sergio moved up" "Floyd moved up" "Pac moved up" "Ward moved up" "chocolatito moved up" etc etc.

Unfortunately, GGG just showed his class too early and didn't build his fanbase to go along with his talent. Traditionally, avoided guys start seeking out other avoided guys to fight ala Sergio and P Will and endear themselves to the fans. In this day and age GGG is going to have to give weight wise to make a couple fights.

GGG is in the unfortunate spot of having devalued titles. No fighter is dying to give him all the advantages and move up completely or down completely for his "belts" because it's seen as "yeah but he beat no one for them"

GGG may as well be holding 4 grenades with no pins... Beating GGG NOW would be mighty impressive..but beating a GGG who beat SOMEONE is what matters.


Neither team ggg or the other promoters are daring enough for the risk. Team ggg in securing the name, any means necessary and the ward/canelos or 68 champs aren't dumb enough to give GGG everything he wants. You cant have your cake and eat it too and team ggg is finding this out very quick.

[siablo14]

A few folks on this forum have stated about GGG wanting all the titles at middleweight is hurting his legacy/wallet because "Titles don't matter" and he isn't chasing "big fights".

Has anyone thought of it like this. If he gets all the belts he will be the only champion at middleweight. Which means there is only one person to fight if they want to be considered the best in the division. Therefore....the so called "big fights" will have to come to him.

Please let me know if I am wrong and tell me why.

Amen. I see it that way too.

[koolkc107]

Nice theory.

But it rarely works out that way.

It is extremely difficult to hold on to every belt with each body often having a different mandatory.

So you fight one guy and get stripped for not fighting another.

Right now, Jacobs is Gennady's mandatory, with the WBA only stepping aside for a Canelo fight.

Well, now that the showdown is probably dead, look for the WBA to press the Jacobs fight.

If Gennady choses a more lucrative tilt, you can expect the WBA to strip him.

[zerosixthree]

A few folks on this forum have stated about GGG wanting all the titles at middleweight is hurting his legacy/wallet because "Titles don't matter" and he isn't chasing "big fights".

Has anyone thought of it like this. If he gets all the belts he will be the only champion at middleweight. Which means there is only one person to fight if they want to be considered the best in the division. Therefore....the so called "big fights" will have to come to him.

Please let me know if I am wrong and tell me why.

If it's his legacy he's worried moving up to makes more sense than staying at 160.

As for his wallet? I don't know why people are so concerned. He's not sharing the money with you. The dude gets paid a few million a year for what seems like easy work for him. I'm sure he could keep this up for another five years. The man probably wont have to work again once he's finally retired.

[siablo14]

Nice theory.

But it rarely works out that way.

It is extremely difficult to hold on to every belt with each body often having a different mandatory.

So you fight one guy and get stripped for not fighting another.

Right now, Jacobs is Gennady's mandatory, with the WBA only stepping aside for a Canelo fight.

Well, now that the showdown is probably dead, look for the WBA to press the Jacobs fight.

If Gennady choses a more lucrative tilt, you can expect the WBA to strip him.

After they strip him. He can go fight whoever holds the belt that he got stripped of.

[koolkc107]

After they strip him. He can go fight whoever holds the belt that he got stripped of.

Unless that beltholder can make more money with someone else.

Gennady still hasn't proven he is a great payday yet.

[siablo14]

Unless that beltholder can make more money with someone else.

Gennady still hasn't proven he is a great payday yet.

We'll see how it goes when it gets to that point but all access to the middleweight championship goes through him now. Just as Kovalev is the gatekeeper at LHW, Stevenson is an afterthought.