Golovkin & Wilder: 5 Points

[K-Nan]

It was about as legit as Lemieux winning his belt though Ndam is probably more legit than Arreola

Its close. But Stiverne really took the title in stunning fashion. Not to say he was a legit champ after that, of course. But he took the title convincingly from a guy who I think had a higher pedigree than Ndam. Just opinions though.

[K-Nan]

That's true. Imagine if Anthony Joshua knocks out Breazale, which I'm sure he will, and then knocks out Wilder and Fury (I'm confident that Fury will beat Wladimir), then he will have knocked out 6 undefeated opponents in a row and if he added a few undefeated cherries to the list, like Luis Ortiz and Lucas Browne, then I would consider him the best ever. Imagine him doing all the things above with ease, knocking out all those undefeated opponents. He would be an instant legend.

Jesus... Wilder, Fury, Ortiz knockouts on one record? At that point, fuck it, just shut the division down for a few years

That would be insanity. But I'd love to see any one of those guys become a dominant monster. Maybe a few of em can even have some epic trilogies.

[Dr Rumack]

A win over a much smaller guy who showed up with a big beer gut, and was so sluggish in the ring he tried to claim he was drugged is not a win to hold over anything Golovkin has.

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6-7 months ago the heavyweight division was 'nothing but bums' according to almost every poster on this website. Now Stiverne is a high quality win? I don't think so.

[TheBoxingXpert]

A win over a much smaller guy who showed up with a big beer gut, and was so sluggish in the ring he tried to claim he was drugged is not a win to hold over anything Golovkin has.

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6-7 months ago the heavyweight division was 'nothing but bums' according to almost every poster on this website. Now Stiverne is a high quality win? I don't think so.

No one said that Stiverne is a high quality win. We're just saying that he's a better win than any of Golovkin's wins.

Why won't Golovkin go to 155lbs to fight the fat ginger and why won't he go to 168lbs to fight bigger opponents? He could just take 1 fight out of his usual weight to prove his worth. He is doing nothing to force good opponents upon himself.

[HeroBando]

No one said that Stiverne is a high quality win. We're just saying that he's a better win than any of Golovkin's wins.

Why won't Golovkin go to 155lbs to fight the fat ginger and why won't he go to 168lbs to fight bigger opponents? He could just take 1 fight out of his usual weight to prove his worth. He is doing nothing to force good opponents upon himself.

But you fail to prove that, consistently

Who asked him to go down to 155? Not Canelo, he just didn't wanna fight. 155 is ******ed btw. 168 was offered to Froch, chavez. But that's all out of place in this thread, wtf are you doing Ts?

[Daddy T]

1: Both are undefeated. Wilder got more wins, though.
2: Both have high KO percentages. Wilder's is higher, though.
3: Both got padded records. Golovkin got a lot of mediocre wins with guys like Lemieux, Geale, Wade, Stevens, etc., while Wilder mainly has fought trash, but Wilder has 1 win, Stiverne, which is a better win than any win on Golovkin's record. Stiverne had only 1 unlucky KO loss from his early career and had otherwise beaten everyone he faced, mostly by KO, which included solid opponents like Arreola and Mitchell.
4: Both have a hard time finding good opponents. Golovkin is being ducked by a lot of guys, like Saul "155lbs" Alvarez, but he himself is not doing a lot to get them into the ring. Wilder tried to get Povetkin into the ring, but Povetkin didn't have the courage to do it without illegal substances, which halted the fight.
5: Golovkin is 34. His prime is ticking away. Wilder is 30. He got some good years left.

How is Stiverne better than Lemieux or Murray? You only say that because Stiverne is Wilder's ONLY win against a top 10-15 fighter. Wilder beating him is at best on par with Golovkin's wins over Murray/Lemieux/Geale ... which by the way were far more dominant wins than Wilder's win over Stiverne.

[TheBoxingXpert]

But you fail to prove that, consistently

Who asked him to go down to 155? Not Canelo, he just didn't wanna fight. 155 is ******ed btw. 168 was offered to Froch, chavez. But that's all out of place in this thread, wtf are you doing Ts?

Okay. Stiverne has 1 loss against a guy that he should easily have been able to beat, while Lemieux has 2 of such losses. Stiverne's best win is Arreola. He beat him twice. Lemieux's best win is Hassan N'Dam. He beat him once. Stiverne went the distance against Wilder, Lemieux got stopped by Golovkin. Everything points toward Stiverne being a better fighter than Lemieux.

[HeroBando]

Okay. Stiverne has 1 loss against a guy that he should easily have been able to beat, while Lemieux has 2 of such losses. Stiverne's best win is Arreola. He beat him twice. Lemieux's best win is Hassan N'Dam. He beat him once. Stiverne went the distance against Wilder, Lemieux got stopped by Golovkin. Everything points toward Stiverne being a better fighter than Lemieux.

Or Wilder being much worse cause he failed to stop such a bum, who lost to a much worse fighter than Lemieux losses, struggled vs ancient Austin etc. Ndam + Rosado > 2x Arreola...

[Daddy T]

Stiverne is a fatty his best win is over another fatty...

[Shrap]

Stiverne is not better than any of GGG's best opponents, he's on par. Stiverne wasn't even stopped either.

Golovkin has the indisputably better record at the moment BUT they both have a lot of work to do and both are great fighters.