What makes Anthony Joshua good?

[juggernaut666]

In comparison to Tyson Fury, probably not:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfWE_8MpjzY

Fury more athletic than Joshua ?

Joshua excelled at football and was a track and field star .He was also an iron worker where he probably gets alot of his power from bc the stronger your wrist /hand and Forearm are the more power you are able to generate with less likely hood of injury as well .

[Fury4daWIN]

It's obvious to see what makes Anthony Joshua good. It's harder to see what makes him great. I don't think we've seen enough of him to determine the latter, but we've seen of him thus far shows that he's a cut above most other heavyweights in the division. I'm not a huge fan personally, but I can certainly understand what others might see in him.

One thing in particular that impresses me about him is that he combines huge heavy handedness with great timing and technique. That's very rare in the division. Usually the heavy handed guys are either slow or crude or both. This enables Joshua to hit guys with hurtful shots from almost any angle and from any position, usually with crisp counter shots or shots they don't see coming, all of which makes him extremely dangerous.

He also has a very good jab which he uses to set up his shots in an intelligent manner, blindsiding opponents to an overhand right, stunning them or forcing them onto the ropes, where he's as dangerous as anybody. His jab enables him to determine distance, and get fighters onto the backfoot, where they're considerably more vulnerable.

I'm not so impressed with his footwork or defence. So far he strikes me as a bit of a plodder, just used to stalking guys round the ring and beating them down. Maybe his footwork's better than that, but he hasn't fought an opponent yet who can force him to do anything different. Until he does this will remain a bit of an unknown (though the Whyte fight didn't paint the greatest picture of him in this regard). To a degree his upper body movement compensates for his static footwork, as does his height advantage which allows him to lean out of harm's way from incoming shots, but that might get him in trouble the first time he fights a competent taller opponent.

The biggest thing I like about him is that he genuinely seems to want to improve and hone his skills. He has a great attitude, and combined with his rocketing levels of confidence that can bode extremely well for him in the future.

I just wish he'd lay off the 'roids a bit.

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Fury more athletic than Joshua ?

Joshua excelled at football and was a track and field star .He was also an iron worker where he probably gets alot of his power from bc the stronger your wrist /hand and Forearm are the more power you are able to generate with less likely hood of injury as well .

Fury isn't more athletic than Joshua in a track and field sense. In fact about the only event I'd pick Fury to beat him in would be a long distance one. However, he is by far the more natural fighter. He just displays a freakish ability to read other fighters, pick them apart, spin them around, and put them together again with all the dangerous parts removed. He did that to Wlad, and all the fans picking Wlad to demolish him were left scratching their heads and wondering what the hell happened. Most of them still don't know.

Maybe that's more of a mental skill than a physical one, but it no doubt requires a certain level of athleticism to pull off.

[juggernaut666]

Fury isn't more athletic than Joshua in a track and field sense. In fact about the only event I'd pick Fury to beat him in would be a long distance one. However, he is by far the more natural fighter. He just displays a freakish ability to read other fighters, pick them apart, spin them around, and put them together again with all the dangerous parts removed. He did that to Wlad, and all the fans picking Wlad to demolish him were left scratching their heads and wondering what the hell happened. Most of them still don't know.

Maybe that's more of a mental skill than a physical one, but it no doubt requires a certain level of athleticism to pull off.

Nothing about what you posted has anything to do with athletism.More natural fighter is subjective,if that was the case he would have better technique and be able to end fights faster because that requires more explosive body movement he doesn't have either.You get more stamina through experience nothing to do with who can go longer now,which im sure Aj could go any amount necessary now. fury may be able to adapt better to a fighter b/c hes more experienced but that's not athletism. Its not rocket science that wlad didn't throw enough punches and I know a little something about that fight which is why im 90% sure Wlad wins this one in july.

lets not forget fury admits to AJ beating him up when he was an amateur and fury was a seasoned pro in comparison...so who really is the more natural fighter?

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Nothing about what you posted has anything to do with athletism.More natural fighter is subjective,if that was the case he would have better technique and be able to end fights faster because that requires more explosive body movement he doesn't have either.You get more stamina through experience nothing to do with who can go longer now,which im sure Aj could go any amount necessary now. fury may be able to adapt better to a fighter b/c hes more experienced but that's not athletism. Its not rocket science that wlad didn't throw enough punches and I know a little something about that fight which is why im 90% sure Wlad wins this one in july.

Yeah, I sort of acknowledged that. I guess I just don't really get what people mean when they say athleticism. Like who can jump higher and run faster? How does that have any bearing on a boxing match? Fury has all the athletic talent needed to succeed as a boxer, meaning he picks up and internalises skills very quickly and has the ability to utilise and combine them in an effective way. He's not amazingly explosive or super fast or super coordinated, but some of the things he does no other heavyweight can come close to doing (cue face punch gif). I guess I just find that more impressive than one or two facets of athletic performance taken to a high degree.

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Yeah, I sort of acknowledged that. I guess I just don't really get what people mean when they say athleticism. Like who can jump higher and run faster? How does that have any bearing on a boxing match? Fury has all the athletic talent needed to succeed as a boxer, meaning he picks up and internalises skills very quickly and has the ability to utilise and combine them in an effective way. He's not amazingly explosive or super fast or super coordinated, but some of the things he does no other heavyweight can come close to doing (cue face punch gif). I guess I just find that more impressive than one or two facets of athletic performance taken to a high degree.

Fury is athletic in footwork and ranks up there with the best the difference is hes not just 6'9 he also has an85 inch reach so the necessary attributes have to be there to get to him .Joshua like Wlad have the most underatted footwork ever and this is because ppl look at the phyiques and all together watch fights with beer goggles on and dont see how they cover distance and punching range.For a 6'9 250 plus guy he would probably rank the best ever as a mover . But if you think Joshua cqant do that you would be wrong ,theres simply mo reason for him to prance around the ring and waste energy since hes a total different style and fast finisher.Because of Furys reach he also has the luxury to fight with his hands down lower which requires less energy than keeping them up ,he can basically stroll around the ring and paw away,this doesnt require much energy at all which why he hasnt had stamina issues ,much like Ali who also had a good reach advantage in his era.

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Fury is athletic in footwork and ranks up there with the best the difference is hes not just 6'9 he also has an85 inch reach so the necessary attributes have to be there to get to him .Joshua like Wlad have the most underatted footwork ever and this is because ppl look at the phyiques and all together watch fights with beer goggles on and dont see how they cover distance and punching range.For a 6'9 250 plus guy he would probably rank the best ever as a mover . But if you think Joshua cqant do that you would be wrong ,theres simply mo reason for him to prance around the ring and waste energy since hes a total different style and fast finisher.

You're right in that Joshua doesn't need to move about the ring like Fury due to his power, but we saw that when he gets hurt he sort of freezes, which isn't good anyway you look at it. Fury uses footwork to get into and out of range and to save him from an ass whooping when he's hurt. We haven't really seen Joshua show that yet. Maybe he's capable of it, maybe not. The Whyte fight shows he has a ways to go.

[juggernaut666]

You're right in that Joshua doesn't need to move about the ring like Fury due to his power, but we saw that when he gets hurt he sort of freezes, which isn't good anyway you look at it. Fury uses footwork to get into and out of range and to save him from an ass whooping when he's hurt. We haven't really seen Joshua show that yet. Maybe he's capable of it, maybe not. The Whyte fight shows he has a ways to go.

Joshua has never been planted on the canvas ,Fury has twice and in one instance the bell rang where 3 seconds later Joshua took control of the fight against a true HW puncher so double standards in this instance doesnt apply here . Joshua looked flawless in his last outing and i imagine Breazeale who is a dangerous puncher wont look good either as most guys wont bc every fight you will see a better version of Joshua where the majority top guys have peaked.