The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[therealpugilist]

EXACTLY !!

1) the injury was visible during the fight
2) Mayweather mentioned it to his corner
3) his corner was seen working on the shoulder between rounds
4) Mayweather stopped using that arm
5) the injury was acknowledged immediately

None of that applied to Pac.

Thanks for providing that contrasting example of a REAL injury

greenK

difference between a real injury and a cooked up one...nobodies pain threshold is so high that they dont mention a severe injury until its all over..conveniently

[ADP02]

So what you are saying is that a doctor that is well known, well respected, and treated famous people would never lie. Is that your stance?

I want to make this clear before I go snooping around. Is that what you are saying? Yes or no? Because I know damn well you said anyone who believes Floyd's doctors is delusional. So let me know if your stance is that this doctor is exempt from your criticism of doctors simply because he is "well known" (though most of us didn't know who he was even after he treated Kobe Bryant) and because he treated some famous people.

Let's set that out now because I don't want you trying to slide out of your stance later.

I made it as clear as can be. I told you that everyone lies.

I also look at what were the circumstances and motives and who this doctor was. This doctor had much more to lose with getting caught lying for a lie that does not make much sense to lie except to Floyd internet doctors where some say he had an injury and some say he didn't. What a joke!

[ADP02]

What fck is wrong with you all YOU have is speculation .

Ask yourself why Manny is being sued and Floyd isnt , a year on and nobody thats official anything is after Floyd or questioning him not even Team Manny or Arum who is a top shelf attorney , fck me if Floyd done anything wrong they would be all over him but they are church silent there is your answer , only a handful of ******ed Manny fanboys are crying because their phoney hero was beat .

I cant believe the sht you come out with go get a life !

You start of by saying this is all speculation then you ask me a question where you know that my answer would have me speculating.


Manny wanted a rematch with Floyd, not sue him. If it would go to court it can get dragged out way past their retirement. And do you expect Floyd to give Manny a fight while they are battling it out in the courts? So defeats the purpose.

[ADP02]

You're right. WHAT MANNY HAD WAS WORSE!!!

Carmelo had a small labrum tear and a rotator cuff tear. Manny had a full thickness rotator cuff tear and a partial thickness rotator cuff tear. Do you need the proof?

"Carmelo Anthony had torn labrum and rotator cuff, decided against surgery"

"All the doctors, we sat down and I just asked them what's the chances if I don't get the surgery, what's going to happen if I do get surgery? If I'd gotten surgery, I probably wouldn't have been able to start the season. I would have been out four to five months due to the severity of the tear that I had.I decided not to do it."

http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/320414

Out 4-5 months for a partial rotator cuff surgery if he decided to have it. Manny had a full thickness rotator cuff tear AND a partial thickness rotator cuff tear, yet he was playing basketball at 3 months and returned to full contact basketball at 5 months, possibly earlier if the season started earlier since that was the season opener.

Yea ok. Just ignore the part where the specialist said: While the injury was on his nondominant side, both arms are necessary to the smooth flow of the shot."

Go look up what a labrum is and how it affects shoulder movement, then look up rotator cuff and how it effects shoulder movement. Then try to write with a straight face your bull****. You are ridiculous.

Sorry but this is apples and oranges and I told you that there are studies that show that someone with just a partial tear can take longer than a full thickness tear. So that is why I tell you that every case is different even if you had someone with a full thickness tear as an example!!!!

[ADP02]

difference between a real injury and a cooked up one...nobodies pain threshold is so high that they dont mention a severe injury until its all over..conveniently

Floyd was ready to talk rematch a month after surgery.

Secondly, doctors state that degree of pain does NOT correlate to the degree of an injury. Someone with just a bruise, tendonitis can experience a lot more pain than someone who had a full thickness tear.

Plus, if you go check out Floyd, he said that he couldn't throw his jabs but in fact threw more in Castillo 1 fight than Castillo 2 fight.

[Code Red]

Yeah Pacquiao has a full tear..........in his pride

[ADP02]

Isaac wants to help his fellow comrade. Admirable, but moral support won't help his fellow fl0mo how to ever be logical lol

Can't believe Isaac is green already and his friend TravestyNY who has been here since 2008 is still red lol that's what I call a Travesty, and i really thought Isaac was more ******ed lmao

Adp02 has lost all credibility due to his inability to admit he is wrong on numerous occasions.







Pact@rds are so mentally weak it's pathetic.

Spoon, here is another Floyd fan who spoke so differently when the discussion was about Floyd's IV scandal compared to this topic.

WIth Floyd, he needed all 100% of the facts before he can make up his mind. Anything less, he called them delusional/speculation. Here he posts differently.

[travestyny]

I made it as clear as can be. I told you that everyone lies.

I also look at what were the circumstances and motives and who this doctor was. This doctor had much more to lose with getting caught lying for a lie that does not make much sense to lie except to Floyd internet doctors where some say he had an injury and some say he didn't. What a joke!

Right. Then we can just stop right there at everyone lies. Just because you don't know their motivation doesn't mean they don't have one. Then you agree this doctor could be lying. Let's leave it at that.

[travestyny]

Sorry but this is apples and oranges and I told you that there are studies that show that someone with just a partial tear can take longer than a full thickness tear. So that is why I tell you that every case is different even if you had someone with a full thickness tear as an example!!!!

Take longer to do what? We have both quoted the same information that clearly states rehabilitation time for a partial tear is much shorter, right? Furthermore, you miss the point. The specialist said that Anthony would still miss the suggested time regardless of whether it was his non-dominant shoulder or not. That ended your "but Manny is left handed" diatribe. It doesn't matter. It is indeed su****ious that he was shooting at 3 months compared to 7 months for Kobe. It is su****ious that he returned to full contact bball at 5 months compared to 9 months for Kobe. Again, he isn't wolverine.

[Spoon23]

Spoon, here is another Floyd fan who spoke so differently when the discussion was about Floyd's IV scandal compared to this topic.

WIth Floyd, he needed all 100% of the facts before he can make up his mind. Anything less, he called them delusional/speculation. Here he posts differently.

yeah in the fl0mo fantasy land, floyd can never do wrong. Even if they found 99% mistakes in floyd's actions as long as 1% was real. It would be more than enough to protect their fraud hero lol

While if it was Pac they are referring to, if you show them 99% truths about pac and 1% is inconclusive. That is enough for them to convict pac lmao

Keep on chugging bud. Your brain is more than enough to spin these fl0mo turds back to their mothers vagina hehe