The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[travestyny]

Floyd comes up to point to you how differently you talk about Floyd and if you did 25% of that with Manny, you would not even bring up this thread and poll.


You would just say "Its all speculation. Unless we see the MRI, have a video of the surgery, we cannot conclude that Manny had no surgery"

and the reason to lie is not logical. It would have been better to say it was a painful injury but one that he was able to recover in time to fight Castillo just a few months later, I mean Floyd in 2015...... Just like Floyd did against Castillo.

Again, if you want to attempt to rip me to shreds about my opinion on Mayweather's shoulder injury, make your thread about it. The reason I made this thread was that we were getting nowhere just discussing this together. I wanted to know BoxingScene's opinion.

If you want to know what people think of Mayweather's shoulder, then step up, deal with the criticism you will surely get from creating the thread (as I've done with this thread), bear with it and try to see what people truly think. Simple.

And I never said Pac had no surgery. If that's what you think I'm talking about, you completely missed the point of this thread.

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Again, if you want to attempt to rip me to shreds about my opinion on Mayweather's shoulder injury, make your thread about it. The reason I made this thread was that we were getting nowhere just discussing this together. I wanted to know BoxingScene's opinion.

If you want to know what people think of Mayweather's shoulder, then step up, deal with the criticism you will surely get from creating the thread (as I've done with this thread), bear with it and try to see what people truly think. Simple.

And I never said Pac had no surgery. If that's what you think I'm talking about, you completely missed the point of this thread.

A few Floyd fans say that Manny had no injuries. You went there initially but now backed down.

Your point is that Manny had surgery but not as bad as Manny said? Roach said? Arum said? I do not believe any of them said "full thickness tear". So how can they be exaggerating?

[travestyny]

A few Floyd fans say that Manny had no injuries. You went there initially but now backed down.

Your point is that Manny had surgery but not as bad as Manny said? Roach said? Arum said? I do not believe any of them said "full thickness tear". So how can they be exaggerating?

I don't believe he had any injuries that would make the surgery necessary, or anything out of the ordinary for a boxer with as many pro fights as he has. Is it clear now?


Does it matter who said full-thickness tear? That's what his doctor said. YOU said that it means he was a one armed fighter after you asked me to prove that it was stated that it was a full-thickness tear. You must have thought it was pretty significant...and now YOU try to say it isn't significant at all. I wonder why.

Remember this:

i did not understand the severity. so manny had a severe injury! So manny fought with basically one arm!

this really diminished what floyd did even if you had him winning the fight but that is another topic.

Then it became this:

Does it really matter if Manny had a partially torn or fully torn rotator cuff?

Not really .

Why did you change up, Homie? That's what I want to know.

Are you ready to give up yet? Go make your Floydie poll. I'm interested in seeing how that turns out for you.

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I don't believe he had any injuries that would make the surgery necessary, or anything out of the ordinary for a boxer with as many pro fights as he has. Is it clear now?


Does it matter who said full-thickness tear? That's what his doctor said. YOU said that it means he was a one armed fighter after you asked me to prove that it was stated that it was a full-thickness tear. You must have thought it was pretty significant...and now YOU try to say it isn't significant at all. I wonder why.

Remember this:


Then it became this:



Why did you change up, Homie? That's what I want to know.

Are you ready to give up yet? Go make your Floydie poll. I'm interested in seeing how that turns out for you.

Different point of views. To lie that its worse than it is defeats the point of wanting a rematch due to the injury since they are both retired now and it will be more difficult to make.

From a point of view of getting credit for that win, its both bad news for Floyd but now that we found out that its a full thickness tear, well, Floyd was basically fighting a fighter with one arm.

[travestyny]

Different point of views. To lie that its worse than it is defeats the point of wanting a rematch due to the injury since they are both retired now and it will be more difficult to make.

From a point of view of getting credit for that win, its both bad news for Floyd but now that we found out that its a full thickness tear, well, Floyd was basically fighting a fighter with one arm.

hahaha. So now you are back on the other side saying it is significant. You are like a pendulum.

I've already explained to you the point. The point is they have an excuse about his performance and a selling point for the rematch. Come see Manny when he is not hampered by a significant shoulder injury.

You know...the line that you obviously fell for. YOU are the example of why they would lie that it is worse than it is. Got it?

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hahaha. So now you are back on the other side saying it is significant. You are like a pendulum.

I've already explained to you the point. The point is they have an excuse about his performance and a selling point for the rematch. Come see Manny when he is not hampered by a significant shoulder injury.

You know...the line that you obviously fell for. YOU are the example of why they would lie that it is worse than it is. Got it?

What? I told you that as far as Manny is concerned, it would make no sense to lie ..... as you even admitted, the lie would be to get a rematch. That chance may be gone now.

So best thing to have done was say that Manny had a partial tear that was painful but is all good to fight later in 2015. Floyd fans were OK with that when their hero said "My arm is all messed up" Then was ready to fight just a few months later.

[travestyny]

What? I told you that as far as Manny is concerned, it would make no sense to lie ..... as you even admitted, the lie would be to get a rematch. That chance may be gone now.

So best thing to have done was say that Manny had a partial tear that was painful but is all good to fight later in 2015. Floyd fans were OK with that when their hero said "My arm is all messed up" Then was ready to fight just a few months later.

Bro, they are still talking about a rematch. I just read today that when Mayweather visited Roach recently, Roach stated that he wished he was visiting to ask about a rematch with Pacquaio.

Didn't you state that because of the "full thickness rotator cuff tear," Pacquaio was a one arm fighter. That's what they want you to believe. I've said it a billion times. If you don't want to accept it, that's fair.

But don't you think we've both said enough now?

[Lester Tutor]

Bro, they are still talking about a rematch. I just read today that when Mayweather visited Roach recently, Roach stated that he wished he was visiting to ask about a rematch with Pacquaio.

Didn't you state that because of the "full thickness rotator cuff tear," Pacquaio was a one arm fighter. That's what they want you to believe. I've said it a billion times. If you don't want to accept it, that's fair.

But don't you think we've both said enough now?

the best part is that the boxing industry left Pac cold and to the wolves regardless of the conspiratorial agendas against Floyd or Pac. Even after Floyd retired, Pac vs Bradley 3 snoozfest. Very happy justice was served and karma slapped everyone involved believing like gullibles... that Pac could do no wrong doing or as if HBO never did any wrong against Floyd throughout his career.

Karma's a btch.

[aboutfkntime]

“ I'm fine. It's God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound ”.

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“ I'm fine. It's God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound ”.

"I tore my rotator cuff. My arm was killing me. It was hurting so bad, it was one of the most painful feelings that I ever had." - Floyd Mayweather

"After Mayweather's successful shoulder surgery, Castillo re-matched with Mayweather"


April 20, 2002 to December 7, 2002
Initially the fight was scheduled for August 10 then Oct 5 (Castillo got hurt)


but the fight was supposed to occur on August 10 but Floyd didn't want to fight in LA, CA ....

April 2?, 2002 surgery to August 10, 2002?
Ready to announce the fight in May? Early June???