The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[tangalog2200]

Yes those have been debunked and we discussed this.

1) Doctors discussing one thing about swimming and Manny is discussing rehab and how being in the sea helped him with his rehab. Those quotes you posted are NOT discussing Manny and we know you have nothing.
Aquatic rehab is possible and has been used to rehab rotator cuff tears. I pointed it to you and there are videos on the net that debunked your silly logic.

2) Manny shoots left handed. His force is with his left hand. His injured shoulder was his right shoulder.


3) There are at least 2 doctors that confirmed Manny's injury. Who do you have?

4) Arum sent over a 3 minute video of Manny doing rehab to Manny's doctors. Doctors were amazed as you pointed out. So Manny did do self-rehab and his doctors were impressed.

i am really amazed how far and long this issue has been up in the air.....

really, i still could not see where this is leading to.....

[aboutfkntime]

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[aboutfkntime]

i am really amazed how far and long this issue has been up in the air.....

really, i still could not see where this is leading to.....

it's leading to court, so the issue might not be up in the air for much longer


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[travestyny]

Yes those have been debunked and we discussed this.

1) Doctors discussing one thing about swimming and Manny is discussing rehab and how being in the sea helped him with his rehab. Those quotes you posted are NOT discussing Manny and we know you have nothing.
Aquatic rehab is possible and has been used to rehab rotator cuff tears. I pointed it to you and there are videos on the net that debunked your silly logic.

2) Manny shoots left handed. His force is with his left hand. His injured shoulder was his right shoulder.


3) There are at least 2 doctors that confirmed Manny's injury. Who do you have?

4) Arum sent over a 3 minute video of Manny doing rehab to Manny's doctors. Doctors were amazed as you pointed out. So Manny did do self-rehab and his doctors were impressed.

This is why I'm finding it to harder and harder to be civil to you. You are absolutely delusional. All of the documents I sent you are SPECIFICALLY ABOUT REHAB FOR THIS SPECIFIC SURGERY!!!! This has nothing to do with aquatic rehab. Not only do they all prohibit swimming, but there was clearly no doctor that prescribed aquatic rehab because as he stated, HE NEVER SAW A DOCTOR. Furthermore, pictures were posted about the basketball. It's right in front of your face. He extends his shoulder back more than normal on shots and shoots partially with his right hand. Look at the pictures and videos. I'm tired of wasting my time on this just for you to claim you debunked something when you've done absolutely nothing. You lost. Face it and find something new to complain about. I've been done with this because I know I proved my point. It's done!!!

[tangalog2200]

it's leading to court, so the issue might not be up in the air for much longer


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yes, but the case is between showtime and tr regarding legal fees.....

no real direct bearing on the thread topic....

the thread topic deals with a medical condition...

not about a case in court....

[The Big Dunn]

yes, but the case is between showtime and tr regarding legal fees.....

no real direct bearing on the thread topic....

the thread topic deals with a medical condition...

not about a case in court....

isn't The lawsuit is to get back legal fees stemming from class action suits directed at HBO, SHowtime and TR because Manny lied about his injury?

[tangalog2200]

isn't The lawsuit is to get back legal fees stemming from class action suits directed at HBO, SHowtime and TR because Manny lied about his injury?

again, the thread topic is about a medical condition....

i believe the surgeon had already addressed this issue....

the issue about "pac lied" is a legal issue that i believe is best left to lawyers and in the court to settle.....

i have no update on the court cases against pac regarding the shoulder injury.....

what we have here now is showtime and tr b*tching about who is to shoulder the legal fees....as per the arrangement they made.....that they are interpreting differently....

[WesternChamp]

Yes those have been debunked and we discussed this.

1) Doctors discussing one thing about swimming and Manny is discussing rehab and how being in the sea helped him with his rehab. Those quotes you posted are NOT discussing Manny and we know you have nothing.
Aquatic rehab is possible and has been used to rehab rotator cuff tears. I pointed it to you and there are videos on the net that debunked your silly logic.

2) Manny shoots left handed. His force is with his left hand. His injured shoulder was his right shoulder.


3) There are at least 2 doctors that confirmed Manny's injury. Who do you have?

4) Arum sent over a 3 minute video of Manny doing rehab to Manny's doctors. Doctors were amazed as you pointed out. So Manny did do self-rehab and his doctors were impressed.

damm.. pretty much /thread lol.

[travestyny]

I'm going to expose you one last time. You like to bring up over and over that I posted a picture of Pac with a flag and I was lead to believe it was post surgery. Let's take a look at how you've fuvked up.


1. Basketball:
First you claimed that a doctor proved me wrong:

“Shooting a few hoops is different than actual competitive action. Right? But read below, doctor explains it:

We operate on partial tears, too. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.”

So the doctor is telling you that you are not right. Sorry.

Remember that? That's even your red bolding and underlining. Only you FUVKED UP because you didn't know they were claiming a full-thickness rotator cuff surgery. Do you admit you fucved up?

So when that one went down the drain, then you stuck to the scenario that he shoots left handed so it's ok. Even if he shot the proper way left handed, it still wouldn't be OK, but I'll show you why it's even worse!:

1.


2.



Now answer these questions.
1. Doesn't it appear that he positions his right arm over and behind his head to shoot?

2. Does it appear that his right arm is involved in shooting the ball based on how he clearly follows through with both arms and flicks both wrists? Isn't it clear that both arms are moving at the same velocity, or one arm would be leaving the other behind, no?

YOU FUVKED UP!

B. Salt water cure
You said this:

Sea salt was to heal the wound not the surgery!!!

You first stated this flat out. When I pressed you on it, you backtracked and said it was just possibly what he meant. YOU FUVKED UP!

C. The Doctor:
You said this:

3) There are at least 2 doctors that confirmed Manny's injury. Who do you have?

But you also said this:

1. Floyd fans bringing up that Floyd's doctor said so, so it must be true .... its what one would call being deliberately naïve.

Look at the below statement:

2. Pac Fans bringing up that Pac's doctor said so, so it must be true...it's what one would call being deliberately naive.

Now, being that you gave comment 1, how do you refute comment 2? I'd love to hear this. Guess what. YOU FUVKED UP!

C. Self-Rehab:
You said this:

4) Arum sent over a 3 minute video of Manny doing rehab to Manny's doctors. Doctors were amazed as you pointed out. So Manny did do self-rehab and his doctors were impressed.

So here you admit it was self-rehab. Before you quoted Freddie Roach saying that he talked to the doctor in the Phils that was doing the rehab. Did you not post this?:

Sea salt was to heal the wound not the surgery!!!

I already told you what Roach said:
“I talked to one of the doctor’s over there who’s doing the rehab on it. He told me everything’s going fine,” Roach said to Fighthype. “The salt water is just a [expletive] story. The [expletive] kid [Pacquiao] has a sense of humor.

SO, Freddie Roach talked to whom? And he said what? He said the salt water was just a story???? You believed what Roach said. Now you are saying the opposite. It was suddenly SELF-REHAB and the salt-water wasn't a made up story, it was suddenly aquatic rehab (with no proof and no training from a rehab specialist). hahahhaha. YOU FUVKED UP!


Finally, you said this:

Yes those have been debunked and we discussed this.

1) Doctors discussing one thing about swimming and Manny is discussing rehab and how being in the sea helped him with his rehab. Those quotes you posted are NOT discussing Manny and we know you have nothing.
Aquatic rehab is possible and has been used to rehab rotator cuff tears. I pointed it to you and there are videos on the net that debunked your silly logic.

Only problem is Pacquaio said this:

“I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could.

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.
http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Some questions for you. Read carefully now.
1. Who taught him this aquatic rehabilitation since he admits that he didn't go see a doctor and didn't go to rehab?
2. Why does he say all he did is swim if....he didn't swim?
3. Where is your proof of aquatic rehabilitation instead of swimming in the ocean, as he himself claims? Hmmmm?
4. How does "I NEVER DID REHAB" = "I DID AQUATIC REHAB"????????
Are you ready to give up and leave this alone now? Exposing you is too easy. I'm bored of this already.

[WesternChamp]

Dr. Neal ElAttrache, a famed orthopedic surgeon who performed the 90-minute procedure to repair Pacquiao's torn rotator cuff, said he could not be "more pleased with the results." It was an outpatient surgery, so Pacquiao will not stay overnight.

ElAttrache, who has also operated on athletes such as Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, said he expects Pacquiao to return to the ring. He estimates that Pacquiao would not be able to fight again for nine months to a year.

Pacquiao lost a unanimous decision to Floyd Mayweather in their long-anticipated pound-for-pound showdown on Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, but he went into the fight with a damaged right shoulder.

It was an injury that Pacquiao did not properly disclose to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which could fine and suspend him for lying on his prefight medical questionnaire. Had Pacquiao disclosed the injury when it happened, about 2½ weeks before the fight, the commission doctor would have worked with Pacquiao's team on a treatment plan and likely would have allowed him to receive an anti-inflammatory shot on fight night. But because the commission said it did not know about Pacquiao's injury until a couple of hours before the bout, it denied his request for the shot.

ElAttrache diagnosed Pacquiao (57-6-2, 38 KOs) with a "significant tear" in his rotator cuff on Monday.

"If all goes as expected with the surgery and the rehab is successful, Manny could be back training in about six months. At that point he will be regaining strength and endurance and competition is reasonable within nine months to a year," ElAttrache told ESPN.com on Monday. "But this is a severe enough tear that it won't heal without being repaired."