The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[travestyny]

naah.. Your assuming he was doing movement rehab in a pool. But pac was their for soaking in salt water medicinal therapy. He didn't have to move his arms. He was using his feet or just by soaking in the ocean has medicinal properties as most people already know and even teddy atlas knows that just by bathing in salt water heals wounds faster.

# adp02 just explained it to you. Pac wasn't doing any freestyle, butterflies or breaststrokes that will aggravate the healing process with his surgery in the ocean. It was like soaking himself in salt water, but off course you still won't get that lmao

hahahahah. I've heard it all. He was just sitting there soaking himself in salt water....with a wetsuit on. Lol.

Tell me, since you were clearly there. If he was just sitting there soaking in salt water, with a wetsuit on, how the hell did this rehab his shoulder??? Your shoulder doesn't get rehabilitated by just sitting around, dummy.

You are an absolute moron. Are you sure you don't want to talk about red bars now? lol.

[Spoon23]

hahahahah. I've heard it all. He was just sitting there soaking himself in salt water....with a wetsuit on. Lol.

Tell me, since you were clearly there. If he was just sitting there soaking in salt water, with a wetsuit on, how the hell did this rehab his shoulder??? Your shoulder doesn't get rehabilitated by just sitting around, dummy.

You are an absolute moron. Are you sure you don't want to talk about red bars now? lol.

The only clown in here is you. Fuvking moron.

Here, maybe if you watch this a million times you'll get it. Oh and don't think since you found a scuba video of him in the ocean that's all he did in the ocean. Ever thought. He can dip in there with his family while he does a bit of RNR..

You base your evidence on what you see as if that's all there is too it. Dumbass.




# your efforts is gallant, but ****** lol

[travestyny]

The only clown in here is you. Fuvking moron.

Here, maybe if you watch this a million times you'll get it.




# your efforts is gallant, but ****** lol

Let's see. Medical documentation or Teddy Atlas. LOL

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/


"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.
http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...tor-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.
http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.
http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-spo...20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery
http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/doc..._Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery
http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo...20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery
http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/ro...ff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rot...ond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6
http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default...uff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

Finally, you say he only swam with his legs. THEN HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER IN 3 MONTHS!!!!!????

[Real King Kong]

You initially said those fights were not possible. If Floyd wanted those fights they were there. Floyd cherry picked them at the most opportune time.


and to answer your question, of course it made no sense to go after no-name slo-mo Baldomir especially when he was ready to retire. Again, Mosley and others would have looked way better.

What fights did i say weren't possible at that time? I said there were no serious talks of cotto or margarito fights. I still can't get over how you think floyd shouldn't have fought the recognized lineal champ in the division.

Do you think pac cherrypicked cotto after he was broken by margarito...or does it only work for mayweather? You know a fighter is superior to another when they aren't held to the same standard.

[Spoon23]

Let's see. Medical documentation or Teddy Atlas. LOL

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/


"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.
http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...tor-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.
http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.
http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-spo...20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery
http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/doc..._Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery
http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo...20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery
http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/ro...ff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rot...ond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6
http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default...uff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

Finally, you say he only swam with his legs. THEN HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER IN 3 MONTHS!!!!!????

It's called alternative medicine. Look it up.

There are lots of doctors that apply both modern medicine and alternative oriental medicine. The fact that even teddy knows this and most from other oriental countries use this therapy makes it useful to those who believe it. Wether you believe the practice or not. The fact that some do it is a choice. Like a religion is a choice.

Pac's surgeon allowed him to do salt water therapy, since it is not harmful to his healing process as long as he doesn't move his arms while dipping himself in the ocean.

BOTTOMLINE: wether he was in the ocean or sitting down in a safa in his house. The healing process happens after a surgery. Which he did.

And that's... The..

BOTTOMLINE

[travestyny]

Pac's surgeon allowed him to do salt water therapy,

Pac: I NEVER WENT TO A DOCTOR. I NEVER WENT TO REHABILITATION.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. KEEP 'EM COMING. YOU ARE KILLING ME.

[Spoon23]

Pac: I NEVER WENT TO A DOCTOR. I NEVER WENT TO REHABILITATION.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. KEEP 'EM COMING. YOU ARE KILLING ME.

Lol he just couldn't express himself properly that time. His English is bad. Everyone knows that. What he meant was after the surgery, he didn't have any doctor to check on him yet after a couple of days being interviewed. Plus he didn't need any rehabilitation therapy program. All he did was to let his surgery heal as adviced by his surgeon.

Wether he is doing salt water dipping or doing nothing strenuous to his arms is all it takes for healing.

# the fact that you deliberately remove the fact that Pac had a surgery and pictures after the fight showing he had a sling on his arms showing he had surgery. Has malice and ******ed on your part to think he still didn't get any help from a medical practitioner.

# case closed

Hahahaha

Manny after the surgery with the president of the Philippines.



Dr.Neal ElAttrache (the same doctor who performed the surgery on Kobe Bryant's). Explains Pacquiao's rotator cuff injury.

[Real King Kong]

Lol he just couldn't express himself properly that time. His English is bad. Everyone knows that. What he meant was after the surgery, he didn't have any doctor to check on him yet after a couple of days being interviewed. Plus he didn't need any rehabilitation therapy program. All he did was to let his surgery heal as adviced by his surgeon.

Wether he is doing salt water dipping or doing nothing strenuous to his arms is all it takes for healing.

# the fact that you deliberately remove the fact that Pac had a surgery and pictures after the fight showing he had a sling on his arms showing he had surgery. Has malice and ******ed on your part to think he still didn't get any help from a medical practitioner.

# case closed

Hahahaha

Manny after the surgery with the president of the Philippines.

Look at the size of pac's head.

[Real King Kong]

Let's see. Medical documentation or Teddy Atlas. LOL

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/


"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/39...-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.
http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...tor-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.
http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwheal...RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.
http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-spo...20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery
http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/doc..._Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery
http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo...20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery
http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/ro...ff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rot...ond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6
http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default...uff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

Finally, you say he only swam with his legs. THEN HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER IN 3 MONTHS!!!!!????

There's a certain irony in pact@rds now deciding teddy atlas is credible.

[Lester Tutor]

Lol. "Pac's surgeon allowed him to do salt water..."

Yeah... and the theory is that the surgeon believes salt water friction on healed wounds helps a boxer like Pac fool the world because that in itself makes perfect sense...

Spoon23 is an ace troll. Precise Presenter!