The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[Spoon23]

Are you slow? (At this point, this is a rhetorical question.)


1. Do you see the word pool there?
2. Did you see the word shoulder there?
3. Did you scroll up and see all of the documentation I listed about recovery from full-thickness rotator cuff surgery with regards to swimming.

Give up. Tuck your tail and run away like you usually do, or talk about my red bars.

It's over bud. Your reading comprehension can only reach literal meaning that's why I don't debate to an imbecile.

Read and comprehend.

Most musculoskeletal injuries can be helped with aquatic therapy. Research has shown aquatic therapy can help with the following conditions: arthritis, fibromyalgia, deconditioning, chronic and severe pain, balance and walking problems, injuries to the shoulder, neck, low back, hip knee, ankle and foot, total knee/hip replacement, various pre and post-surgical conditions (spinal fusions, laminectomy, ACL/Meniscus tears and repairs; other conditions that limit the body’s ability to bear weight).

It my not literally been said specifically, but if you do know how to think. someday you'll get it.

Cheers!

# can't give you any green to save your sorry ass rep, I want to, but I can't any more.

[Lester Tutor]

Pac defies severe rotator cuff injuries as well as standard healing practices, because fans will justify salt water and his word that it was all legit...

[travestyny]

It's over bud. Your reading comprehension can only reach literal meaning that's why I don't debate to an imbecile.

Read and comprehend.

Most musculoskeletal injuries can be helped with aquatic therapy. Research has shown aquatic therapy can help with the following conditions: arthritis, fibromyalgia, deconditioning, chronic and severe pain, balance and walking problems, injuries to the shoulder, neck, low back, hip knee, ankle and foot, total knee/hip replacement, various pre and post-surgical conditions (spinal fusions, laminectomy, ACL/Meniscus tears and repairs; other conditions that limit the body’s ability to bear weight).

It my not literally been said specifically, but if you do know how to think. someday you'll get it.

Cheers!

# can't give you any green to save your sorry ass rep, I want to, but I can't any more.

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)

http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/shoulder-elbow/rotator-cuff-tear/

You're right. It's over. Cheers, bud!

[Spoon23]

and after Cotto got beat up by Margarito and Manny .... Floyd then was quick to pull the trigger! Whoooa Floyd .... just when nobody was interested anymore!

That's a slam dunk! Hahaha

[travestyny]

old lady's in a pool? And you have the courage to use the words pathetic?


And here i was waiting for your big evidence. Just like i thought, you are hanging on manny saying swimming and you think he was doing this:

[img]http://i283.***********.com/albums/kk304/lizzzayyyy/phelps-swimming.gif[/img]

Why don't you refute the 11 medical documents I just listed to you??? Is that big enough evidence for you??? Lol

You been sidestepping these links for awhile man. ONE MORE TIME:

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)

http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/shoulder-elbow/rotator-cuff-tear/

Finally, you say he only swam with his legs. THEN HOW THE HELL DID HE REHAB HIS SHOULDER IN 3 MONTHS!!!!!???? LOL.

[Spoon23]

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)

http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/shoulder-elbow/rotator-cuff-tear/

You're right. It's over. Cheers, bud!

There was surgery, then afterwards any athlete can go on for water therapy for healing. You can't cure a torn rotator cuff by swimming or water therapy. You fix that up through surgery. So don't be a dumbass.

Water therapy is for healing after a surgery.

# think bud. It's a good thing.

# Pac wasn't flailing his arms in the ocean. He was their for the salt water medicinal properties of it. He was scuba diving. Using his legs.

[travestyny]

There was surgery, then afterwards any athlete can go on for water therapy for healing. You can't cure a torn rotator cuff by swimming or water therapy. You fic that up through surgery. So don't be a dumbass.

Water therapy is for healing after a surgery.

# think bud. It's a good thing.

Nice try. THESE LINKS ARE ABOUT REHABILITATION AFTER SURGERY.

HAHAHAHAHA. CLOWNED YOURSELF AGAIN!

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)

http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/shoulder-elbow/rotator-cuff-tear/

[Lester Tutor]

Suddenly boxing fans, and particularly die hard Pac fans, exempt Pac from traditional severe rotator cuff injuries, and ironically from boxing...an arms hurt business.. but because people buy Arum and his "oh its Kobe's doctor.." as if Kobe was doing dumb shhzz

[Spoon23]

Nice try. THESE LINKS ARE ABOUT REHABILITATION AFTER SURGERY.

HAHAHAHAHA. CLOWNED YOURSELF AGAIN!

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

Naah.. Your assuming he was doing movement rehab in a pool. But Pac was their for soaking in salt water medicinal therapy. He didn't have to move his arms. He was using his feet or just by soaking in the ocean has medicinal properties as most people already know and even Teddy Atlas knows that just by bathing in salt water heals wounds faster.

# ADP02 just explained it to you. Pac wasn't doing Any freestyle, butterflies or breaststrokes that will aggravate the healing process with his surgery while he was soaking himself in the ocean. He was there to soak himself in salt water, but off course you still won't get that lmao

[Lester Tutor]

Pac definitely was submerged in bath salts...