The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[Spoon23]

Altered it a bit? Hahahahaha! You got it wrong. Your attempt to appear clever only made you look foolish.

You are the only doll here buddy. Please be a doll and support your more accurate poll. It would be such a sweet thing if you did laddie!

Not sure what your obsession with Beiber is? I guys your fantasies of getting Beibered "bareback" dominate your thoughts.

You should know that.. That should be easy.. Or I guess you don't want to??

Only Beiber fans and Floyd hardcore fans knows that, I think you are not anymore in that HARDCORE category. Too bad you are not one of them bud. Too bad indeed...

[Zaroku]

You should know that.. That should be easy.. Or I guess you don't want to??

Only Beiber fans and Floyd hardcore fans knows that, I think you are not anymore in that HARDCORE category. Too bad you are not one of them bud. Too bad indeed...

Floyd:

I just wanted to see him dropped solidly, stopped if possible.
His ****ing mouth bothers me. TBE is bull****!

I guess all someone has to say is TBE and I get so ****ing mad it ain't even funny!

Don't get me started. Ex Post Facto TUE??? Never heard of these things.

I am out of here. **** Floyd.

[Spoon23]

Floyd:

I just wanted to see him dropped solidly, stopped if possible.
His ****ing mouth bothers me. TBE is bull****!

I guess all someone has to say is TBE and I get so ****ing mad it ain't even funny!

Don't get me started. Ex Post Facto TUE??? Never heard of these things.

I am out of here. **** Floyd.

Angry leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering my friend. Don't hate on Floyd.

All you have to do is stay away from Floyd threads and you'll be okay. Besides, all his fights are mostly cherry picked at the right time with IVS sticking in his veins for maximum marathon events. You are right. He has nothing to brag about. He's the essence of a conman who's getting away with millions from lame fights. Not to mention TUEs that cleanses him of his sins.

Yes! Fuvk Floyd! Rock on Zaroku! Rock on!

# stay out from ******ed threads such as this made by ******ed fl0mo hardcore minions such as TravestNY. Stay out and live a merry life. God speed!

[travestyny]

Sorry, allow me to go FULL SPOON one more time. I have to do this:

Sorry but I have a renowned doctor that says otherwise.

Ok. That might be right. Then why did you say the following???:

• Floyd fans bringing up that Floyd's doctor said so, so it must be true .... its what one would call being deliberately naïve.
  
  
• Floyd's Doctor: He can say that the sky is green.
  Floyd fan: See, the sky is green.
  
  
• Just like Lance Armstrong did (very similar scenario) Floyd paid his doctor to agree with Floyd's version of the story and supply some documentation.
  
  
• Floyd fan: Floyd required an IV because Floyd said so. Oh, so did the people that were paid off 150K and his doctor who he paid $$$ to give them some documentation, after the fact.
  
  
• Do not overestimate what Floyd's doctor writes on that medical form. Lance Armstrong got a doctor to write down whatever Lance wanted him to write down .... and it was approved many times but that did not mean that everything was OK. Right?
  
  
• Just like with Lance Armstrong. They both got a doctor to say that they agree that they needed the illegal substance/method.
  
  
• Again, think of Lance Armstrong who was caught with steroids. Doctor can come up with lots of BS. They try to cover it up with the most believable story that they can come up with.
  
  
• "Oh, I just trained and I'm dehydrated and therefore I need an IV. Do not worry. In 18 days from now, my doctor and I will send in all the BS documentation that you want and more"
  
  
• Just like Lance Armstrong was able to get a doctor to provide a retroactive prescription that he had a saddle sore and required steroids. Floyd was allowed to get a doctor to write some BS so that USADA can say "here is what Floyd's doctor said. So it must be true. Retroactive TUE is approved"
  
  
• Or do like Floyd did, say he was severely dehydrated then get his doctor to agree with him.
  
  
• The point is that its not too hard to get your doctor to agree with your request and my visit was free!!! I'm sure Floyd pays his doctor good money just like he pays for USADA's Gold Standard.
  
  
• Just like Lance Armstrong got his doctor to sign a retroactive prescription, we see the same kinda thing happening here.

So which is it, bro? We should believe your doctor because....? lol Hypocrite much?

[Real King Kong]

The fact that there's a video of a surgeon saying pac had a fully torn rectum...i mean rotator cuff, and more than half still don't believe it, is telling. People just don't trust pac and his team.

[ADP02]

you're the one who's been trying to convince everyone that it was possible for pac to train and fight with his so called injury without showing any signs of it at all.

...and i didn't say he wouldn't be able to do anything, but surely there would have been some sign of an injury severe enough to cause him to lose the fight.

If you look at the Floyd vs Castillo fight and Manny vs Floyd fight, Manny was not throwing as many right handed punches compared to Floyd throwing his left. Castillo said he saw no injury and it was an excuse.

So to say its all the way you look at it. Floyd fans had come here since 2002 and made all kinds of excuses when it comes to Floyd's poor performance against Castillo. Now they forgot what they said and now come here and have the courage to say that with a torn rotator cuff, its not possible to do what Manny did. Really?

Manny may have had mild pain but the arm may have been very weak. And/or thrown more punches that didn't hurt as much and less the ones that did.

I did research and seen that its possible. You let me know what you find and then we can discuss.

[ADP02]

You are trying to tell me what makes sense....yet I put myself on the line, doing what posters have referred to as "GOING FULL SPOON," and you fail to see how this is su****ious at all. Really? A blind man can see it. The reason I went ham on the first page is to just show HOW MUCH EVIDENCE is against your position.

Your only reply now is the ONLY statement that has been given in defense of pacquiao in this thread. That the doctor wouldn't have stated it if it wasn't true.

Yet, you yourself mentioned that doctors lie when it comes to these things, didn't you? Didn't you?????

Wrong.

Why your logic is flawed:

1) Does it really matter if Manny had a partially torn or fully torn rotator cuff?

Not really because its still an injury that can affect you in a fight. As I showed you, in some ways, a partially torn can be more problematic as far as pain is concerned. So they could have gone that route. Even your Floyd fans that have been commentating are saying that they couldn't do anything with their torn rotator cuff. Right?

Plus, a MAJORITY of the people would not even come back and say "Oh, it was just a partially torn rotator cuff." Its still an injury that affects the athlete negatively.

2) As far as I heard, only Manny's doctor has said "Full thickness tear". Manny and his team did not. So NOBODY was pushing
"Full thickness tear" and if you missed the interview with the doctor, people would not even know!!! HA!

Actually, you are the only person bringing this up. If you didn't say it, most people here would not even know about it. So that is why its flawed logic. You would think that they would be saying it every chance they had but they didn't. They do not even though that is what Manny had.

On the other hand, Floyd's physician diagnosed and did not call his injury as a "torn" rotator cuff. Only Floyd and his team did. Where is your thread on that? I can even provide you with added issues such as FLoyd indicating that it was his right shoulder.

3) If Manny had a partially torn rotator cuff, Manny could have fought again in 2015 and they could have struck a deal with Floyd. This would be the most ideal scenario if they were lying. Have everyone believe that he lost the fight due to an injury and come back to fight Floyd in 2015. Floyd and Manny would make much more money than they did with their last fight (Bradley and Berto)

and

that is the fight that Manny would have wanted plus as I stated, the money would have been better.


4) The doctor is not just any doctor. He is a renowned so called super doctor that has no shortage of work any time soon. He is associated with multiple professional teams.

What would lying do except have him worry that the lie would eventually come out and his reputation would go south quickly!!!

If you do not think it can come out, there are multiple people who are aware of the truth. Even MRIs were taken by other doctors. I'm sure that the NSAC has a copy of Manny's health just so he can get a license to fight against Bradley.


THINK: This doctor is a surgeon who performed an operation on Manny. Before this injury, its possible that Manny never met the doctor before or only a few times due to other real injuries!!! THat is different than a no name doctor or a doctor that hangs around a cycling team all day prescribing them PEDs that nobody knows about until they get caught. THose are 2 different worlds apart.


5) There is a lot more with Floyd's IV scandal and you do not go with what Floyd and his team said. How come? With Manny you keep on quoting Manny, Roach ...... and only when it fits your speculation. Which makes your story even less believable.

6) You are just throwing stuff out there and hoping something sticks. What you initially called as facts/evidence are not that. I debunked several of them. So right there you should be questioning the rest of your so called facts/evidence!


In summary, with Floyd's IV scandal you needed every bit of information before you say you can conclude one way or another but with Manny, your speculation is enough. Sorry but how can you even do that with a straight face???


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[ADP02]

Sorry, allow me to go FULL SPOON one more time. I have to do this:

Ok. That might be right. Then why did you say the following???:

So which is it, bro? We should believe your doctor because....? lol Hypocrite much?

Read the above post that I made. Explains all that and more.

[Real King Kong]

If you look at the Floyd vs Castillo fight and Manny vs Floyd fight, Manny was not throwing as many right handed punches compared to Floyd throwing his left. Castillo said he saw no injury and it was an excuse.

So to say its all the way you look at it. Floyd fans had come here since 2002 and made all kinds of excuses when it comes to Floyd's poor performance against Castillo. Now they forgot what they said and now come here and have the courage to say that with a torn rotator cuff, its not possible to do what Manny did. Really?

Manny may have had mild pain but the arm may have been very weak. And/or thrown more punches that didn't hurt as much and less the ones that did.

I did research and seen that its possible. You let me know what you find and then we can discuss.

What does this thread have to do with floyd mayweather? So floyd threw more punches against a pressure fighter than pac did against a guy who had a reach advantage and likes to fight at a distance...not to mention it was southpaw vs orthodox, which is a completely different dynamic. You're comparing different things. Injury or not, there was nothing impressive about pacs performance.

[travestyny]

wrong.

Why your logic is flawed:

1) does it really matter if manny had a partially torn or fully torn rotator cuff?

not really because its still an injury that can affect you in a fight. As i showed you, in some ways, a partially torn can be more problematic as far as pain is concerned. So they could have gone that route. Even your floyd fans that have been commentating are saying that they couldn't do anything with their torn rotator cuff. Right?
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hahahahaha. I'm going to expose you again buddy!!! You ready?

Do you remember saying this after not knowing the extent of the injury and having me prove to you that it was stated as a full-thickness rotator cuff tear when i posted the video of his doctor???:

i remember this video from a while back but did not understand the severity. so manny had a severe injury! So manny fought with basically one arm!

this really diminished what floyd did even if you had him winning the fight but that is another topic.

hahahahaha. So which is it buddy? Does it matter....apparently not when it doesn't fit your agenda.

Stop deflecting. Stop hiding. Stop lying!!!