The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[ADP02]

What's your point? He saw the doctor apparently on the 6th. He hit the bag on the 8th and was prepared to spar on the 9th. The pictures prove that, and a video of his morning workout. So how are they saying his injury was so bad that he was thinking of postponing the fight???? He goes from thinking of postponing to throwing a zillion punches in 2 days?

April 8th from Freddie Roach:
Today, we opened the gates, and he kicked my a**. I must have gotten hit with a thousand and two punches today.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/04/09...r-one-day-rest

Then look how the dialogue changed.

Sunday, May 3rd from Pacquaio:
"He said the doctor told him to rest his shoulder for 30-40 days."

http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/92044-pacquiao-disappointed-commission-shoulder

Monday, May 4th:
Pacquiao’s promoter said in a statement on Monday that doctors had “concluded that with short rest, treatments and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather”.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/other/controversy-swirls-around-manny-pacquiao-shoulder-injury-in-floyd-mayweather-fight-fallout

So which is it, team Pac? Were you supposed to rest it for 30 - 40 days or were you told a short rest was fine? lol

You are joking?

You think that they are going to tell reporters that Manny has an injury? Any video/article during that time frame is a joke to even listen to. I remember saying back then that it doesn't look good and think that Manny was injured and we would eventually know. Now we know!

[Real King Kong]

Lets just say that you forgot what you said about KOBE. I will remind you.

I told you that Manny was not the only athlete in the world that can play his sport with a rotator cuff tear. I mentioned Floyd and KOBE. When I said KOBE, you said of course he can because he was using meds. DING DING DING!!!

While you do not know that for a fact, now you need to remember that Manny saw a doctor and gave him meds to try to see what he can do with the meds.


After surgery: Sorry but you are being blind. Kobe shoots with his right which is what he injured but Manny shoots with his left which is NOT his inured arm. Easy to understand but I get it. You are desperate and are shooting a lot of crap and hoping something sticks. The problem is that its not sticking except for I see with some FLoyd fans, which is to be expected. HA!

Oh, can you please let me know what your problem is with this? Is it lifting his arm. What?



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No...manny shoots with both hands, like a complete ****in ******.

[SilverMiles]

TS rigged his own poll lol.

[travestyny]

Deflection city. Not even talking about swimming.

The doctor is telling you that Manny would be working on lifting his arm at 4 weeks out. Remember that you said it was not possible at 5-6 weeks out to lift his arm so high and no doctor would recommend that?

Do I really have to post this again????

“There’s the initial surgery, the post-op phase doing just motion exercise with a therapist, where you have someone else moving your arms to keep you limber for six weeks."

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nba-...angeles-lakers

Do you understand now? I thought I made this clear.

aquatic therapy

I don't even think you know what aquatic therapy is. It's standing in a pool doing some exercises. IT IS NOT SWIMMING IN THE DAMN OCEAN! lol. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I already posted all you need to know about swimming:

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)

http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/shoulder-elbow/rotator-cuff-tear/

[ADP02]

Dude, in that conversation you were trying to prove that Kobe could play with a messed up rotator cuff (one in which we do not know the severity of the injury at the point that he was playing with it). Kobe already mentioned he was playing with a messed up shoulder and taking pain meds for it.

Where you mess up, once again, is that Manny didn't even have meds during the fight! That's first of all.

Second, look at my previous reply, buddy. Why did he say that the doctor said he should rest for 30 - 40 days? Why were they mulling postponing to the point that Bubuy was crying? Why did they say "let's just not use it in training" and then suddenly there is a statement from Roach saying how much he got hit in training TWO DAYS LATER and there is a picture of him with his hands wrapped, plus there is a video of him throwing the right in the park. lol. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!

See what he can do with the meds? You said they canceled sparring because of the injury. Why was he set to spar? Why was he still punching???

Are you slow? I posted the pictures. Pacquiao not only lifts his arm way back when he shoots, but he also shoots using both hands because his form sucks. Do you know what that would do to your arm when you are still recovering from full thickness rotator cuff surgery? Furthermore, how the hell was he swimming so early. The damn quotation I gave you said the therapist would be moving his arm for 6 weeks! I also sent a quotation that said he would be in a sling for 1 month!

You are being ******ed!

You are all over the place.

******ed? Relax bud. I'm the only guy that is listening to your speculations that is NOT a Floyd fan. Your speculations are all over the place and I have debunked several of your statements. On my side I have a renowned doctor backing me up. You have just your own speculation on what can and cannot be done and you are no expert.

Manny's doctor has been called a super doctor since I believe 2006. He has already a lot of work on his plate (500 surgeries per year) and is associated with multiple professional teams. What do you have that comes close to that?



When I'm talking about using meds, that is before the fight. When I'm talking about him seeing how he feels with the meds that is before the fight. That is to be expected to see if with meds, he can still fight.


I see that now you are changing it up because you now realize that your original statement about basketball was a joke. So now you think he is using both hands. HAHAHAHA

SWIMMING: I already responded. I asked you to show me what Manny did that was bad. Still waiting.

[travestyny]

TS rigged his own poll lol.

So first, I was getting owned in my on thread. Now I rigged the poll.

Man, get out of here. No one respects you because you don't even understand that a shorter fighter can cut off the ring. You're an embarrassment as a boxing fan.

[ADP02]

Do I really have to post this again????

“There’s the initial surgery, the post-op phase doing just motion exercise with a therapist, where you have someone else moving your arms to keep you limber for six weeks."

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nba-...angeles-lakers

Do you understand now? I thought I made this clear.




I don't even think you know what aquatic therapy is. It's standing in a pool doing some exercises. IT IS NOT SWIMMING IN THE DAMN OCEAN! lol. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I already posted all you need to know about swimming:

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

Sorry but you are embarrassing yourself.

You write all that but I have yet to see the most important thing ....
Please show me evidence of something that Manny did in the water that was impossible to do?

[travestyny]

You are all over the place.

I see that now you are changing it up because you now realize that your original statement about basketball was a joke. So now you think he is using both hands. HAHAHAHA

SWIMMING: I already responded. I asked you to show me what Manny did that was bad. Still waiting.

Say what? I'm not changing anything up. Look at the pictures of him playing basketball and tell me what you see.



Look how he flicks BOTH wrists. That tells you that both hands are involved in the shot!!! Even if he didn't, the way that shooting necessitates moving your shoulder up quickly over your head is definitely problematic. Look at the documentation about recovery for this surgery that I sent you, bro!

I responded about swimming. It's a lot to go through, though. Have fun reading up.

[SilverMiles]

So first, I was getting owned in my on thread. Now I rigged the poll.

Man, get out of here. No one respects you because you don't even understand that a shorter fighter can cut off the ring. You're an embarrassment as a boxing fan.

LMAO got own in his own threads he resorted to vote rigging to prove his point. How many alts did you create to vote in your own poll? Did ADP hurt your feelings that much?

You truly earned your red bar.

[ADP02]

No...manny shoots with both hands, like a complete ****in ******.

Manny has been making millions and you are calling him a ******? Lots of name calling coming from the Floyd fans in this thread. I guess this has less to do with knowing the truth ..... just like I thought.