The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[Dolor]

It would be very simple for Manny to prove that he really had an RC tear - he would just need to upload the original shoulder MRI (in the orginal DICOM format, which contains patient identifier etc) to a public server

[J.Dempsey]

TS you should be a friggin lawyer or detective or something.
Very impressive unbiased case you out together there!
You're wasted on here

[ADP02]

You forgot to use this evidence ..... oh wait, I debunked it! I'm sure if the rest of your speculations are carefully analyzed, they would get debunked as well!!!

The supposed picture of Manny holding a flag 1 month after surgery DEBUNKED:
How do you know that the picture was taken on or around 1 month after the surgery? Were they not speculating like you are when they said what they said "Manny must be recovering well?"

Look at Manny's clothes, shoes, gloves, flag. Look familiar? This is when Manny was in LA's Griffith park training for the Floyd fight.



Now compare to Manny in this picture?



Then check out the skyline in the above picture and compare it to the one below. Just like the first picture, this picture below was taken from Griffith park that is close to LA. It is the same to me!!! You wanted proof, you got it!

TS you should be a friggin lawyer or detective or something.
Very impressive unbiased case you out together there!
You're wasted on here

Wrong. He is just trying to get something to stick because he knows that most people have no idea about rotator cuffs anyways.

Read my post above. He was telling us that the picture of Manny holding a flag was evidence but then I debunked that. He said why doesn't Manny come here and let us know if that picture was a fake or whatever. Then I debunked it as a fake.

[ADP02]

It would be very simple for Manny to prove that he really had an RC tear - he would just need to upload the original shoulder MRI (in the orginal DICOM format, which contains patient identifier etc) to a public server

Nope. People would say
"its a fake MRI given by a fake doctor and so its a fake injury" - posted by "Internet Floyd fan doctor"


I debunked supposed evidence of a picture of Manny holding a flag 1 month after surgery. I let him know before but it didn't stop the ST from starting this thread minus that evidence that I debunked.

[ShoulderRoll]

Good post. The OP makes his case with facts and evidence, not with emotion

That's how one should debate.

[ADP02]

Good post. The OP makes his case with facts and evidence, not with emotion

That's how one should debate.

Which part do you consider a fact? Its all speculation just like that picture of Manny holding a flag 1 month after surgery. That used to be called a fact too but I debunked that supposed fact.


Floyd had a supposed torn rotator cuff injury too on April 20 against Castillo. Castillo had no idea of Floyd's injury.

Same year: Floyd was ready to negotiate an August 10 fight. That is a little over 3 months after .... This same TS said, that is possible. I'm sure the rest of the Floyd fans would say the same. That is emotion not facts when you can switch it up like that.


"I tore my rotator cuff. My arm was killing me. It was hurting so bad, it was one of the most painful feelings that I ever had." - Floyd Mayweather April 20 - August 10 fight was possible?

That would mean that in May or early June, Floyd was ready to announce the fight???




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[ShoulderRoll]

Which part do you consider a fact? Its all speculation just like that picture of Manny holding a flag 1 month after surgery. That used to be called a fact too but I debunked that supposed fact.

If you can disprove the thread starter's points with solid proof and logic then please do so.

But getting emotional and bringing up Floyd isn't going to cut it. Emotions are how a woman argues. That doesn't win debates.

[ADP02]

If you can disprove the thread starter's points with solid proof and logic then please do so.

But getting emotional and bringing up Floyd isn't going to cut it. Emotions are how a woman argues. That doesn't win debates.

I debunked his fact that Manny was holding a flag 1 month after surgery. That was a picture that was taken BEFORE the fight.

Manny is left handed. Injured arm is right handed. 3 months after surgery. Why is that even evidence?

He says Manny cannot be swimming early on but has no pictures of Manny doing anything that one can see being an issue. The only pictures available do not even have Manny moving his shoulder much!
Plus Aquatic rehab for this injury is OK!

You slap something together and say its evidence does not mean its evidence. Its speculation and not that good.


You said: "But getting emotional and bringing up Floyd isn't going to cut it."
Wrong! Lots of points that he brings up with Manny, Floyd was able to do. So its hypocritical and invalidates what he says about Manny.

Example: He and other Floyd fans presented as fact a picture and said "How can Manny lift his arm after the fight if he has a rotator cuff injury" Well, then when I bring up that Floyd was able to too, they deflect and do like you did. "Its not about Floyd." HA!!!

[travestyny]

This line made me laugh. This is what you are doing. You cannot even give us the date that Manny was injured yet you say you have evidence.

Well well well. Look what I found. From DOING RESEARCH, I was able to pinpoint the exact date that they said he was injured. I TOLD YOU THIS COULD HAVE BEEN THE ONLY DATE.

On April 4, Pacquiao suffered a twisted right shoulder when he and a sparring partner tangled while each threw overhand rights.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...504-story.html

I thought I don't know ****. It's obvious that they were going to say it was on this day.

They then go on to say: Two days later, he was examined, and a tear underneath the rotator cuff in a joint was found

Later they say that they mulled postponing the fight, to the point that Buboy was crying over it:

• He said the doctor told him to rest his shoulder for 30-40 days.

• Pacquiao said he considered postponing the fight but opted against doing so believing he would be allowed injections of numbing agents lidocaine, celestone and bupivacaine, which are legal and were approved by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.

• We all talked. Freddie, even Bubuy, Bubuy even cried... if I can't, we talked about it. But if it heals, if it recovers, its okay, let's just not use it (in training) then on the night of the fight, it will be injected with the numbing agent.

http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-spo...ssion-shoulder

NOW HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM.
April 4th: SUPPOSED INJURY DATE --CONFIRMED
April 7th: Cancels sparring. Roach says overtraining. But now some believe that it was due to an injury that would necessitate a month of rest and possible postponement.
April 8th: "After a rest day, Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao was back in the ring Wednesday, hitting the mitts for 12 rounds."

"I thought he was overdoing it a little bit, so we had a day off," chief trainer Freddie Roach explained. "Today, we opened the gates, and he kicked my a**. I must have gotten hit with a thousand and two punches today." -- And this is NOT when he was bragging about only using the left hand!
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/04/09...r-one-day-rest
April 9th:
You asked me to confirm the video? The video title says running on april 9th. It was reported that he went running on April 9th. It was reported that he was set to spar with his sparring partner on a sparring day, which was April 9th, which is why the sparring partner is present. Do I really need to defend that it was April 9th? The proof is there! Also, Karl Malone visited on April 9th.

Again, they wrapped his hands so he can punch something:
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PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS!!! WHY WAS HE PUNCHING ON APRIL 8TH AND SET TO PUNCH ON APRIL 9TH IF THIS INJURY WAS SO BAD AND WAS TO TAKE 30-40 DAYS TO HEAL, AND HE THOUGHT ABOUT POSTPONING??? I THOUGHT HE MISSED SPARRING BECAUSE OF THE INJURY??? LOL

[travestyny]

TS you should be a friggin lawyer or detective or something.
Very impressive unbiased case you out together there!
You're wasted on here

Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words