The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[ADP02]

Just consider this honestly!

The sparring partner said Pac was doing so well that he would end the fight by KO. That was April 3rd.

Pac's next sparring session was April 4th. On April 7th, it was stated that he did very well in his sparring sessions the first week of April.

He took off April 7th, because Roach said he didn't want him to overtrain. It could have been because of an injury suffered on April 4th? This HAD TO BE THE DAY that the supposed injury occurred because it is the last day he sparred before missing sparring.

He missed sparring for one week, which was 3 days: April 7th, April 9th, and April 11th.

April 9th was smack in the middle of the sparring misses. Now look at the video ON APRIL 9th. Does his shoulder look hurt? Second, look at the picture. WHY WERE HIS HANDS WRAPPED. WOULD THEY WRAP HIS HANDS IF HE WASN'T GOING TO PUNCH SOMETHING. Again...WOULD THEY WRAP HIS HANDS IF HE WASN'T GOING TO PUNCH A BAG, A MITT, A PERSON?

When USADA showed up that day and took 4 vials of blood, that's when sparring was canceled, AS WAS STATED AT THAT TIME That's the only scenario that makes sense. You can say he wasn't going to spar, but does it make it better that he was going to punch a bag? Come onnnnn, man. Be honest!!!!!!!! This is the biggest piece of evidence that he is lying!!!

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WHY WOULD THEY WRAP HIS HANDS IF HE WAS INJURED ON APRIL 3RD AND HAD NO INTENTIONS OF HURTING HIS SHOULDER MORE???? WHY WAS IT REPORTED THAT HE WAS SET TO SPAR? WHY WAS HE DOING ROAD WORK WITH SPARRING PARTNERS? YOU DON'T WRAP HANDS UNLESS THERE IS PUNCHING INVOLVED!!!!!! IT WAS REPORTED THAT HE WOULD SPAR UNTIL USADA CAME AND TOOK BLOOD!

He was going to spar that day. This is complete utter bull****, and you have not "debunked it." You said "debunking is fun." DEBUNK IT, PLEASE!!!!!

You be honest

1) Do you know exactly when Manny injured his shoulder?
2) Do you know what his injury will prevent him from doing and what they wanted to avoid?
3) When Kobe said that he played with his torn rotator cuff and I'm sure he practiced with it too, what did you say? Not possible? Did you do the same type of analysis? Did you check if he could throw with his RIGHT shoulder which he actually injured? Again, what did you say about Kobe that allowed him to play? You may get your answer for Manny!!!
4) The video.
- Remember the picture? Can you confirm that is the date of the video. Yes, it says April 9 but maybe that is when it was published not taken.
- Can you confirm what Manny did in the picture is what hurts Manny or is it when he does something else?
5) They said no sparring but that does not mean no activities. The activities that he can do with his RIGHT shoulder, he would do and the ones that he should avoid, he avoids.
Again, you have no idea what Manny was told he can do and what he cannot. Do you know all this information?
6) As stated above, you have no idea when he was injured. The first sparring session off could have been for one reason and the next time was due to an injury? Or whatever. YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION!!!
7) Manny could be trying out to see if and or how much pain he has. See if he is ready to get back to sparring.
8) Gloves wrapped: So what? Maybe it was planned to try to spar but then he felt too much pain or there was swelling.
Maybe they were thinking of doing what they did in another session. Just throw with the left hand. You just do not know. Maybe he got injured just before Malone came and took them gloves off.
9) It was just 4 vials yet said "This is the biggest piece of evidence that he is lying!!!" lol then just stop it.
10) Why are you doing road work with sparring partners? Really? Soon you are going to say "Why are the sparring partners doing sit ups and that other stuff?". So a sparring partner should just spar? There is a rule like that? What's your point?

Sure giving blood affect people differently but 4 vials is not much. I had about 10 vials taken about 10) days ago then I went cycling later on that day. You only believe what you want to believe. You think Manny's team is going to tell you , "Manny is injured so he is not sparring"??? They tried to hide it the best they can. Rumors were already out there that he was injured.

During that time period, I had seen even Floyd fans on YouTube saying that Manny must be injured to not spar during that week. One guy even had "a source" but of course it can be BS.

So many questions and you have no answers. Hope you can do better than you did with that picture that you were so sure about!!! lol

[Hype job]

But He Missed Sparring - Reasons Debunked

Tuesday, April 7th, 2015 – Reason given= overtraining -- Not injury!
Pacquiao was supposed to enter the hardest part of training this week, with him doing 12 rounds of sparring. Last week, the fighting congressman did up to 10 rounds of sparring, on top of his mitts sessions and conditioning training.
“Manny, you see is very energetic When he trains, he really trains as in he trains,” Roach said. “Sometimes, during sparring, I would set a 10-round session, but he’ll still ask for one or two more rounds.”
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/04/10...-sparring-anew

Skips sparring Thursday, April 9th.
Reason given: USADA visits to take 4 vials of blood, NOT INJURY --

Manny is photographed with his hands wrapped at the time that Carl Malone visits on this day. Later, USADA comes and takes 4 vials of blood.

Fernandez said they did not force Pacquiao to spar as the loss of blood will affect the boxer’s senses.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/04/10...-sparring-anew

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said Pacquiao didn’t want to keep the USADA technicians waiting until he finished training and decided to ask them to get his blood and urine samples before his training.
“Since it took a while to get it done, Freddie (Roach) asked Manny to take off,” said Arum
http://www.asianfightscene.com/2015/...-day-in-a-row/

Why would they wrap his hands if he had already planned not to spar. The reason given seems to be the legit reason.

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Manny's arm looked good during the morning workout on this day! Also, sparring partners were present! Manny was waiting to spar before USADA came!
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Manny's Sparring partners:
Keandre Gibson notices no injury during sparring sessions.
“We were there to spar with him, so they weren’t telling us no information….but I didn’t see there was no shoulder injury in camp.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flu7APUOK64



Dashon Johnson – Sparring partner who was actually an MMA fighter with a terrible record who called Roach and asked if he could be used to imitate Mayweather. Some believe he was allowed to only to give Manny confidence.
Before the fight:
“Manny is looking unbelievable right now and honestly I don’t see the fight going the distance at all.”


Now, what did he say after the fight?:
“We were asked not to mention anything to anyone, but yes, Manny got hurt during this camp and his right shoulder and it was messed up pretty bad."

Pacquaio sparred using only his left hand? -- DEBUNKED

Evidence points to this being misunderstood. Roach meant he was doing mitt work with only the left, not sparring against sparring partners.

"Manny’s been favoring the right side so much now, I need to bring the left back." -- Freddie Roach
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...-freddie-roach

He was clearly working with Roach, not sparring partners:
Quote:
We did 12 rounds of left hand only. The right hand was never used. Oh, it’s deadly. Deadly. My chest is … killing me.
http://www.************.com/2015/04/...re-says-roach/

They refer to mitt work as sparring:
Pacquiao has had a total of 23 rounds of sparring, 13 of them with the mitts, according to assistant trainer Buboy Fernandez.
Read more: http://sports.inquirer.net/177884/pa...#ixzz48c5MKgFr

They do mitt work for 12 rounds:
"When we do the mitts for 12 rounds, he will ask for more and so on and so forth."
http://www.philstar.com/sports/boxin...ncels-sparring
He wasn't sparring against partners, I don't think. That makes this less interesting.

Of course they wouldn't want to give it away you dumb muthafucka

[BrometheusBob.]

Final verdict: 50-50 doe

[Bullrider]

Final verdict: 50-50 doe

Alts are in full force doe. Whatever it takes.

[Hype job]

Even Floyd's biggest diehards were alluding to the injury in the lead up, mentioning Manny's odd cancellation of sparring sessions.

The red mark around the shoulder is also clear to see.

[ADP02]

Just want to give you a nice look at Pacquaio's (awful) shooting form.







How did he start playing basketball so early? Look at what his right arm has to do. How did he do this??? Oh yea, I forgot...

If you want to recover from full-thickness rotator cuff surgery in 3 months:

Hello, what do you not understand that Manny is left handed? His injury occurred on his right shoulder.

The below explains how wrong you are about raising your arm so early.

Remember that fake picture I debunked? Well that too could have been explained like I told you before but the only problem we have here is you have no idea what you know or are talking about. Every injury is different and every person is different and every surgery is different and every doctor is different.

[ADP02]

Of course they wouldn't want to give it away you dumb muthafucka

Its obvious but if you are a Floyd fan then you try to avoid the obvious!

[Johnny2x2x]

Zero chance he had a significant injury.He got schooled and his team made it up in the locker room after the fight. It's not the 1st time a boxer and his team have faked an injury to save face after getting beaten.

[ADP02]

So now we enter the realm of complete speculation and fantasy.

This line made me laugh. This is what you are doing. You cannot even give us the date that Manny was injured yet you say you have evidence.

We can let you know almost the hour that Floyd used that illegal method. No speculation there since Floyd admitted to using an IV even though his weight was ROCK SOLID stable from 30 days out. Yet you are OK with that BS from Floyd's team.

[ADP02]

Zero chance he had a significant injury.He got schooled and his team made it up in the locker room after the fight. It's not the 1st time a boxer and his team have faked an injury to save face after getting beaten.

Explain the part about Manny's team letting the NSAC know about the injury BEFORE the fight.
The meds in the pre-fight form.
The renowned doctor confirming all this.
Other doctors confirming this.