The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[travestyny]

DEBUNK #4: - I never knew how much fun it would be debunking!

KOBE was shooting with his injured arm.

Manny was shooting with his uninjured left arm.

Just want to give you a nice look at Pacquaio's (awful) shooting form.







How did he start playing basketball so early? Look at what his right arm has to do. How did he do this??? Oh yea, I forgot...

If you want to recover from full-thickness rotator cuff surgery in 3 months:

[aboutfkntime]

If you want to recover from full-thickness rotator cuff surgery in 3 months:

Epic thread..... I suppose it had to happen sooner or later LMAO

[travestyny]

Epic thread..... I suppose it had to happen sooner or later LMAO

lol. At the expense of having everyone yell at me to move on, I just wanted a final poll to see where everyone here is at on this issue. I'm really surprised it's actually split down the middle!

[Slick_Rick]

Floyd is another matter altogether, but think about it: If Floyd paid off USADA, why would he have to mask PED use? Why would he even need a TUE? Why would the use be revealed to Pacquaio? These are questions that don't add up.

The question here is if it is believable that it was a full thickness rotator cuff injury. The doctor claimed one tendon was completely torn, and up to half of another one. If by sinister you mean that Paquiao and his team, including the doctor, embellished the injury, yes that's what I believe. If you look at the evidence which includes videos, medical documentation, testimony, you see that something doesn't add up. He claimed to be healed in 3 months by salt water. Come on now. Was this a partial rotator cuff tear? Is that why the injury and rehabilitation specialist that was hired by ESPN and stated that she talked directly to the surgeon came back and reported a partial rotator cuff tear, not a full rotator cuff tear?

Your thread doesn't add up.

What is it even about? do you agree, Manny had a tear but you are just debating whether it was a "full thickness" Why is that of any importance to you? The general healing time still pretty much the same, partial or full thickness. The issue is the regaining of strength can take longer if full thickness and higher chance of injury occurrence.

As for your comparison with Kobe, do you know how ridiculous that sounds.
1. They were treated by the same Doctor. So what you are saying is with Kobe, the Doctor did everything by the book. But with Manny he was treated with a rotator cuff injury but lied to make it sound worse Why????

I never get the issue with the salt water thing, but ****** people take too literally, like thats the only thing he did. For years dead sea salts have been used as a form of treatment to treat anything from inflammation, muscular pain and arthritis.

As for the 3 months that is keep getting mentions, why is that a issue? he supposed to step up his activity after 12 weeks

[travestyny]

Your thread doesn't add up.

What is it even about? do you agree, Manny had a tear but you are just debating whether it was a "full thickness" Why is that of any importance to you? The general healing time still pretty much the same, partial or full thickness. The issue is the regaining of strength can take longer if full thickness and higher chance of injury occurrence.

I believe he could have had a partial rotator cuff injury, just like I believe all professional boxers can have partial rotator cuff injuries. I think this injury was nothing special. I think he greatly exaggerated it, and it likely could have been dealt with without surgery.

But the healing time is NOT the same. Don't be fooled:
“We operate on partial tears, too. Go in, clean things up. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.”

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nba-kobe-bryant-surgery-options-shoulder-rotator-cuff-injury-tear-los-angeles-lakers

As for your comparison with Kobe, do you know how ridiculous that sounds.
1. They were treated by the same Doctor. So what you are saying is with Kobe, the Doctor did everything by the book. But with Manny he was treated with a rotator cuff injury but lied to make it sound worse Why????

Isn't it obvious why he would have lied? First of all, I don't know why it sounds ridiculous when one guy first took a shot on a basketball court at 7 months, and the other was playing basketball at 3 months. THAT is the discrepancy!!!!

I never get the issue with the salt water thing, but ****** people take too literally, like thats the only thing he did. For years dead sea salts have been used as a form of treatment to treat anything from inflammation, muscular pain and arthritis.

DUDE....HE SAID THIS:
“I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”

Second, I posted a trillion medical documents that outline recovery from this surgery. All of them disallow swimming for at least 3 months, so how was he swimming enough to be cured by the 3 month mark????

As for the 3 months that is keep getting mentions, why is that a issue? he supposed to step up his activity after 12 weeks

Step up....not be completely cured, swimming months before, and playing basketball!!!

[bboy80]

Who cares?

Hahahaha my sentiments exactly!!!

[travestyny]

Who cares?

Hahahaha my sentiments exactly!!!

Of course it's been a year and not many really care anymore. History has already been written. But let's at least admit that this was to be the defining fight to determine the best boxer of our generation. I think I remember both sides saying there would no excuses, yet this issue was interjected into the dialogue and not only did the fight itself rob us of excitement and money, but if this injury is true, it also potentially robs us of the true outcome to the question of who was the best.

All I'm asking is if people truly believe Mayweather defeated a one armed man. Is that what we saw? Do you believe it? Doesn't the mounds of evidence to the contrary say Pac's team is trying to rob Mayweather of what he worked hard for and deserves?

But I respect your opinions if you don't care either way. Since you took the time to respond and let everyone know that you don't care, I thought I'd take some time out to respond to your apathy .

[ADP02]

I said nothing about floyd, other than i don't know what his alleged injury was. I thought floyd lost the first Castillo fight. Why do you get hung up on thinking everyone is out to defend floyd? i said manny showed no signs of injury, be it pain, limited motion or otherwise. I mean what are you really trying to argue here? You're basically saying you can have a torn rotator cuff with no ill effects at all...so what does it matter if he did then?

"Did floyd claim to have a full thickness tear of his rotator cuff? Pac didn't show any signs of a hurt shoulder whatsoever.." considerthis


You tried to relate the type of injury to the amount of pain one should have. I told you that is incorrect. So your assumptions are based on an important piece of information that you were missing. Am I correct or am I correct?

Castillo was interviewed back then about Floyd's injury. Castillo said that he didn't see no injury and that it's just one of Floyd's regular excuses due to his sub-par performance.

[Real King Kong]

"Did floyd claim to have a full thickness tear of his rotator cuff? Pac didn't show any signs of a hurt shoulder whatsoever.." considerthis


You tried to relate the type of injury to the amount of pain one should have. I told you that is incorrect. So your assumptions are based on an important piece of information that you were missing. Am I correct or am I correct?

Castillo was interviewed back then about Floyd's injury. Castillo said that he didn't see no injury and that it's just one of Floyd's regular excuses due to his sub-par performance.

There comes a point where you've argued that pac can still do this and still do that with a torn rotator cuff without pain or any noticeable effects...then what's the point of using it as an excuse? I mean, he can still do everything fine with no pain right? I imagine you'll come up with some self serving limiting factor that's invisible to the eye, yet had such a profound effect on the outcome of the fight.

[Real King Kong]

Just want to give you a nice look at Pacquaio's (awful) shooting form.







How did he start playing basketball so early? Look at what his right arm has to do. How did he do this??? Oh yea, I forgot...

If you want to recover from full-thickness rotator cuff surgery in 3 months:

A better question is...what kind of ****** shoots the ball like that? Looks like he's throwing it 2 handed from behind his head.