The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[GTTofAK]

So you are saying that they couldn't warn Mayweather about when the collectors were coming?

How do you know they didn't. The original story in the press was that the collector noticed the IV mark. USADA has officially denied this but we haven't heard a word from the collector.

Landis testified under oath that the US cycle team was getting tipped off that the testers were coming. These tips could have only come from within USADA.

They couldn't have arranged for DCO's to stay away while he was taking the IV?

If you actually look at the DCO's most of these people are people who do it in their spare time because they really believe in cleaning up sports.

You aren't bribing them. You bribe the management to tell you when the DCO's are coming.

What exactly would he be paying for then?

Exactly what he got. Tip offs on when the testers were coming and rubber stamp retroactive TUE's should he screw up.

[travestyny]

How do you know they didn't. The original story in the press was that the collector noticed the IV mark. USADA has officially denied this but we haven't heard a word from the collector.

So now we enter the realm of complete speculation and fantasy. The original story was put out there by Hauser, and even Hauser has retracted this story. Furthermore, a partial sample of urine was given before the IV. If he was doping, this would clearly make the likelihood of failing even higher, and you yourself understand that USADA isn't the one analyzing the samples. WADA accredited labs report to WADA immediately if there is a failure. So again, what could Floyd have been paying for? It doesn't add up.

Landis testified under oath that the US cycle team was getting tipped off that the testers were coming. These tips could have only come from within USADA.

We talked about this already. Landis came clean about what he did, and he still to this day has NOT indicated USADA at all. I'm sure he would love to have thrown USADA under the bus because they busted him. He even appeared with Travis Tygart at a university to discuss doping. I seriously doubt Tygart would have appeared there if Landis gave information implicating USADA in su****ious activity.

Exactly what he got. Tip offs on when the testers were coming and rubber stamp retroactive TUE's should he screw up.

A TUE for IV fluid would not allow a positive test for banned substances.

[travestyny]

To get back on track, this should be added to the LIES section on the front page.

May 3rd, 2015: Speaking with reporters at his Delano Hotel suite on Sunday, May 3, the day after his unanimous decision loss, Pacquiao said the doctor told him to rest his shoulder for 30-40 days.

http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/92044-pacquiao-disappointed-commission-shoulder

May 5th, 2015: Pacquiao’s promoter said in a statement on Monday that doctors had “concluded that with short rest, treatments and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather”.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/other/controversy-swirls-around-manny-pacquiao-shoulder-injury-in-floyd-mayweather-fight-fallout

Which one is it? What exactly did the doctor that examined the original injury say??? Why are there so many lies from this camp???

Did it need 30 or 40 days, or did it need a short rest??? He took one day off before being set to return to sparring. Why was the turnaround so quick if he was supposed to rest 30 days and they were considering postponing the fight. This really doesn't add up at all.

[JStill Unbiased]

LIES

Manny informed NSAC?
“A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny’s doctors began the process, the Nevada Commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny’s shoulder injury.”

Sounds like he tried to begin taking toradol, and the commission stepped in because they noticed and were informed of no injury.

Have you had an injury to your shoulders, elbow, or hands that needed evaluation or examination?
We know he checked no and signed off.


Pacquiao said, “No, I don’t have pain or injury before the fight. I just want to make sure that whatever happened, I’m still there. I’m not saying I’m not 100 percent condition.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/boxing/why-manny-pacquiao-still-believes-he-beat-floyd-mayweather-in-2015-fight-1.11350596

Pacquiao said: “We wanted a shot for numbing the shoulder but we respect the decision of the Commission it was getting better and better but was still not 100 per cent.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/manny-pacquiao-blames-floyd-mayweather-5628491

Roach claimed the doctor that Manny was just joking about GOD healing him. WOULD THE DEEPLY RELIGIOUS PACQUIAO LIE ABOUT GOD? Roach also said he spoke to the doctor in the Phils that was doing the rehab.

Here, Roach says he doesn't talk to Pac when he is not training him. They don't call each other. Why would he call the Phils to talk to his rehab doctor?

@2:35 -- Roach: "We don't talk on the phone. We don't even have each other's phone numbers. We only speak when we see each other."



Pacquiao’s promoter said in a statement on Monday that doctors had “concluded that with short rest, treatments and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather”.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/other/controversy-swirls-around-manny-pacquiao-shoulder-injury-in-floyd-mayweather-fight-fallout

Can you believe this team after all the lies?

Pac Workouts when he was feeling the effects of this injury:

Here he is during media day on April 15th. Notice how easily he lifts his shoulder over his head at 6:08. Also uses the right just fine:



Here is some more Manny in April. Leaning into that heavy bag. Hmm:

you went full spoon level with the research lol, but we all know it was fabricated to an extent. Pacquiao's camp has been telling lies and covering themp up since 2009.

[travestyny]

you went full spoon level with the research lol, but we all know it was fabricated to an extent. Pacquiao's camp has been telling lies and covering themp up since 2009.

I am guilty of that. I swear most of it was copy and paste from previous posts, but I am still embarrassed that I wasted so much time on this. lol

My favorite philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche said this:

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

I don't want to be known as the anti-Spoon!!!

[JStill Unbiased]

I am guilty of that. I swear most of it was copy and paste from previous posts, but I am still embarrassed that I wasted so much time on this. lol

My favorite philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche said this:

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

I don't want to be known as the anti-Spoon!!!

Literally was reading that quote when I woke up this morning. Scary haha

[Djanxx]

If you ever wanted proof of how ******ed the majority of posters on this forum are, take a look at the poll results.

What a joke!

[travestyny]

Literally was reading that quote when I woke up this morning. Scary haha

That's fuvking freaky! Man, this universe puts out some strange energy sometimes.

[travestyny]

If you ever wanted proof of how ******ed the majority of posters on this forum are, take a look at the poll results.

What a joke!

If you look at the list of posters that voted yes...it's not a surprise for the most part. Though I asked for posters to consider this unbiasedly, I expected that a lot of the Pacroaches would come out to blindly defend him.

For others, it seems that when presented with evidence, the only thing they say is that the doctor wouldn't say it was a full thickness rotator cuff tear if it wasn't, as if the doctor was speaking under oath. Some of them even admit that doctors lie....only not when it concerns Manny Pac.

[Real King Kong]

Thats because you are a *****.

you again? Dr. Rotator cuff MD...