The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

[travestyny]

DEBUNK #2: Myself and I'm sure many people here didn't even know exactly what was a full thickness tear beforehand. So how can we suspect something we didn't know?

I told you, only once you mentioned it did I even realize. I had actually viewed that video before you showed me and still I didn't realize what's up.

Thanks to you, I got informed and we now know that Manny was basically fighting with one arm.

hahahaha. Oh really? He looked like a one armed fighter to you? Now that you know what a full-thickness rotator cuff injury is, what do you think? Please share.

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He had a fairly high profile doctor/surgeon who oversees Los Angeles sports teams verify the injury. I don't know what that guy would gain from lying to the public and putting himself in legal jeopardy after the fight was already over.

I also don't get why it's such a surprise. There was too much money in advertising that fight. Only if one of the fighters died could they cancel it. Injuries had to be ignored. Manny is as experienced as boxers get and tried to hide it but still looked like ****.

[KingTito]

There are other things to discuss in boxing. This is old.

[travestyny]

DEBUNK #3: This is getting to be too easy.

- NSAC confirmed BEFORE the fight that Manny was injured
- USADA confirmed that Manny requested BEFORE the fight if meds prescribed are legal
- Doctor confirmed that Manny had an injury BEFORE the fight. Yes the same doctor that performed surgery on KOBE!!!

WRONG!

1. Manny attempted to take toradol, and NSAC stopped him

“A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny’s doctors began the process, the Nevada Commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny’s shoulder injury.”
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/othe...-fight-fallout

2. USADA said the drugs are legal. That's it. I never heard them say why the drugs were requested. Do you want to do research about TORADOL again?

3. Why would Manny need Toradol when he said he was not injured before the fight. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID!

4. The doctor confirmed his injury? Really?
Pacquiao’s promoter said in a statement on Monday that doctors had “concluded that with short rest, treatments and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather”.
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/othe...-fight-fallout

What did he confirm exactly? That he only needed to rest it?

[travestyny]

I can't wait to cross reference the final version of this poll with the poll on who won the fight. Let's see who the alts are.

[travestyny]

He had a fairly high profile doctor/surgeon who oversees Los Angeles sports teams verify the injury. I don't know what that guy would gain from lying to the public and putting himself in legal jeopardy after the fight was already over.

I also don't get why it's such a surprise. There was too much money in advertising that fight. Only if one of the fighters died could they cancel it. Injuries had to be ignored. Manny is as experienced as boxers get and tried to hide it but still looked like ****.

I understand this sentiment. Though there was no reason for this to ever be brought to court, so I don't think he ever had anything to worry about. It's not like he lied under oath.

However, this lady who ESPN called in is a rehabilitation specialist and injury analyst. She also says she talked directly to the doctor that performed the surgery.

SHE REPORTED A PARTIAL THICKNESS TEAR.

How did she get that information wrong? She is a specialist and it was her job to report back. With everything surrounding this injury, doesn't that seem odd?

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...cuses-recovery

[Spoon23]

He had a fairly high profile doctor/surgeon who oversees Los Angeles sports teams verify the injury. I don't know what that guy would gain from lying to the public and putting himself in legal jeopardy after the fight was already over.

I also don't get why it's such a surprise. There was too much money in advertising that fight. Only if one of the fighters died could they cancel it. Injuries had to be ignored. Manny is as experienced as boxers get and tried to hide it but still looked like ****.

Exactly, he won't jeopardize his career for one athlete. He's catering to many. He won't risk his medical degree for one person.

[Spoon23]

So ADP02s battle ground with travestNY has shifted here.

I see..

This will be a fun thread lol

[ADP02]

WRONG!

1. Manny attempted to take toradol, and NSAC stopped him

“A few hours before he was expected to step in the ring, when Manny’s doctors began the process, the Nevada Commission stopped the treatment because it said it was unaware of Manny’s shoulder injury.”
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/othe...-fight-fallout

2. USADA said the drugs are legal. That's it. I never heard them say why the drugs were requested. Do you want to do research about TORADOL again?

3. Why would Manny need Toradol when he said he was not injured before the fight. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID!

4. The doctor confirmed his injury? Really?
Pacquiao’s promoter said in a statement on Monday that doctors had “concluded that with short rest, treatments and close monitoring, Manny could train and, on May 2, step into the ring against Floyd Mayweather”.
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/othe...-fight-fallout

What did he confirm exactly? That he only needed to rest it?

You said it was not mentioned by Manny, right? Your statement is false and therefore DEBUNKED!

- NSAC confirmed that Manny did mention that he was injured.
- Meds are for what? They just happen to be the same meds what Manny wanted for his shoulder pre-fight! 1+1 =2
- Manny's doctor confirmed that Manny went to see him Before the fight.
- Manny's doctor confirmed that they wanted to use meds due to an injury.

[travestyny]

You said it was not mentioned by Manny, right? Your statement is false and therefore DEBUNKED!

- NSAC confirmed that Manny did mention that he was injured.
- Meds are for what? They just happen to be the same meds what Manny wanted for his shoulder pre-fight! 1+1 =2
- Manny's doctor confirmed that Manny went to see him Before the fight.
- Manny's doctor confirmed that they wanted to use meds due to an injury.

Really? Why would he want to use Toradol. Explain.

Then realize what Toradol does. There have been articles about this. Do I have to repost it all to you?