Comments Thread For: Canelo Vacates WBC Title! Says Golovkin Talks Continue

[eco1]

I said it 4 months ago.

Canelo gets too much credit for fighting the Trouts, Lara of the world.
Yes he fought them, but it's a easy thing when neither guy has Knockout power and you know your promoter has judges in his pocket, so all you have to do it last 12 and you will automatically win on the score cards.

It's ANOTHER THING

To get in the ring with someone who is more than likely gonna put you to sleep, no robbery, no funny score cards, no disputes.

this right here!

but change sleep for "comma"

[casheddie]

Use some common-sense.

1) Golovkin has stated on many occasions that he can make 154.

2) Considering the fact that Mayweather/Pacquiao will never fight Golovkin, Cotto is Gennady's BIGGEST POSSIBLE PAYDAY..... certainly bigger than Canelo.

Considering points 1 and 2, why did Team Bull**** refuse to negotiate on the weight with Cotto?

Tom Loeffler acknowledged that Cotto/Canelo are not genuine middleweights, he referred to them as " the little guys "..... so why wouldn't they cut off one of their fingers to fight Cotto, like everyone else would?

They have shown no interest whatsoever, and I don't think they want to fight Canelo either.

Cotto never wanted GGG and Canelo has stated publicly that he will fight GGG at 160-that weight is no problem and then go and duck by vacating. Cotto and Canelo are duckers. They are afraid and they know he will KO them both. Somehow you are the only one in denial.

[rasdun]

THIS is why I hate the multiple titles situ in boxing. IMO every weight class need 1 champion and 1 belt. Fighters don't respect the belts enough with so many different organizations belts plus the different versions of those belts. There is a reason GGG won't go up and fight Ward, because there are so many changing of Champs and belts getting dropped that it keeps GGG busy chasing em and fighting mediocre talent at MW in an attempt to unify the majors. If there was one belt GGG would be clear MW champ and Canelo would have no choice but to fight at 160 for that belt. Or he would have to kill himself to make Jr Mid/Super Welter. Either that or he would not become a champion and I bet if there was only 1 prestigious belt Canelo would not talk about not needing the belt and only fighting for the fans blah blah.

very true. you rarely see a ufc champ drop the belt for political/promotional reasons, and it hasnt happened in yrs. it wont happen, but boxing as a sport would be so much better off if there was only one Champion per division. As it is, there are too many weight divisions, but that's a whole nother argument.

[rasdun]

Couldn't have said it better myself my man...It is sad.

Fighters getting support for not fighting is arguably the single most crucial aspect in boxing not being as popular as it could be.

A fighter doesn't take a fight/moves to another division to avoid a challenge/drops a belt etc etc and people are ready and on hand to serve as a spokesperson for them and reel off reason after reason as to why they are smart businessmen etc....Shut up. You want to see fighters fight? Or you want to read articles about negotiations and argue business? These people...

yes!!!! I never understand when fans start talking business. I understand the business, but could honestly care less. I am only concerned with the best fighting the best and seeing the best fights. I've been a boxing fan for 30 years, but more and more I enjoy watching UFC. For one simple reason: they make the best fights. no marinating, no b.s. the champ fights the top contenders (and add that the undercards are stacked).
make GGH v Canelo, and youll get my $. Kivalev v Ward, im getting! but im not ordering a Canelo rematch v Cotto or another blown up welter

[gmc_rfc_06]

Stop just stop your making assumptions based on assumptions. The only fact we know is Canelo vacated, which any objective boxing fan will tell you is a ***** move.

'We're still negotiating'

Both sides.

They are still working things out, the fight would be every bit as big without the belt.

[Blue Heffner]

It's in Canelo's interest to get the fight signed ASAP as he's taking a lot of flak to his public image right now.

I agree but the egos at Golden Boy need to see it in numbers/figures/revenue. I love how the media here and in Mexico is covering the story. If GBP is going to build Canelo up as a star, he's need to beat a monster to become one.

[ouofam]

Honestly this is a new measure of ducking GGG, you fought Khan for the belt, Cotto for the belt and new GGG was your mandatory, but all the sudden the deadline is what bothers you about this fight. De La Hoya was a chicken and he is guiding Canelo's career in the same way. Who has Canelo fought and won decisively? Mayweather beat Corrales, Andre ward won the Super 6. Mosley took on De La Hoya, Winky Wright, Forrest etc. Where is Canelo's defining moment. Where is the fight he is taking on where it is a 50/50 fight or the odds seem stacked against him. I am of the opinion that if the best are fighting the best and the best don't fight the best and yet want my PPV dollar. I am in the drivers seat to make a change. Until Canelo fights a lion of equal stature, my PPV dollars will stay in park.

[Flash13]

They are still working things out, the fight would be every bit as big without the belt.

Agreed as long as the fight is next(which looks extremely doubtful). Canelo's team could always have asked for an extension, which would be granted in a heart beat, if they were in fact negotiating in "good faith".

'We're still negotiating'

Okay now here's my issue with your assumptions.

First, were not even sure an offer has been made. There is no evidence of this what so ever. You automatically assume one has been made, and this is the assumption you are basing more assumptions off of......

Second, were not sure the weight is not an issue. Promoters are all lying pieces of scum, can you really trust one that's whole promotional company depends on the fighter in question?

Third, were not even sure what GGG is willing to accept purse wise. So for you to automatically assume there after the 55/45 purse split is yet another assumption that has no basis of fact.

I'm all for making assumptions based on facts, but when you start making assumptions based on assumptions, the logical discussion becomes irrelevant.

[ИATAS]

'We're still negotiating'

Both sides.

They are still working things out, the fight would be every bit as big without the belt.

Why wouldn't the belt be on the line? What logical reason is there to make the fight without any belts? Even if They made the fight at 155 pounds they still could have Golovkins belts on the line since its the middleweight limit. Makes literally no sense not to fight for any belt, unless of course, there is no fight happening.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Agreed as long as the fight is next(which looks extremely doubtful). Canelo's team could always have asked for an extension, which would be granted in a heart beat, if they were in fact negotiating in "good faith".



Okay now here's my issue with your assumptions.

First, were not even sure an offer has been made. There is no evidence of this what so ever. You automatically assume one has been made, and this is the assumption you are basing more assumptions off of......

Second, were not sure the weight is not an issue. Promoters are all lying pieces of scum, can you really trust one that's whole promotional company depends on the fighter in question?

Third, were not even sure what GGG is willing to accept purse wise. So for you to automatically assume there after the 55/45 purse split is yet another assumption that has no basis of fact.

I'm all for making assumptions based on facts, but when you start making assumptions based on assumptions, the logical discussion becomes irrelevant.

I'm not making an assumption on the weight.

Both sides have stated 'weight hasn't been an issue' - Oscar said it and Loeffler said it. That's not an assumption.

Both sides have been in discussion, both sides have said they are continuing with said discussion. There is obviously a sticking point somewhere; given that both have stated publicly that it's not weight related, yes, I'm assuming it's money related.

They were 2 days from the fight going to purse bid and the 55/45 split coming into effect; there is no way on earth Golden Boy are accepting a split like that. This gives them a far bigger window, removes the WBC's enforced rules and changes nothing else.