Comments Thread For: Garcia Backs Canelo Over Golovkin, Says Styles Make Fights

[NearHypnos]

Garcia is,.....never mind. Enough said about him already. Aside from the usual anti-GGG banter from the haters, the one thing that has caught my attention in this thread is the statement that GGG has never taken any deliberate shots. BS he hasn't!!!! I record a lot of fights on my cable box DVR and watch the fights repeatedly,....and not just he GGG fights. But in just about all of the GGG fights I have recorded, sometime during the fight GGG DOES take shots and in return gives every one of his opponents either a smirk of amusement, or just a plain grin that typically drains his opponents will psychologically. It's isn't one of those "ouch you hurt me so I'll play it off" grins, but that look of "that's all you got MF'er" smiles. Lemieux just plain pissed GGG off an didn't get much off a grin at all,.....more like a veer at the end of round 6 or 7 when GGG landed a sharp right upper-cut when Lemieux was able to land a good shot earlier. But against Geale, Stevens, Murray, and Monroe for example, that heart draining grin took the wind out of their sails and it was all over soon after that. Go back and watch these fights if you doubt me. I almost felt bad for poor Wade. Like Kahn against Canelo, Wade was just a lamb in the ring with a lion like GGG. I hate to break the bad news to those that think Canelo has a chance against GGG,.....but Alvarez doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning this future fight much less go the distance. It's a Lemieux fight all over again. Honestly, I doubt Canelo could handle Lemieux either.

Problem with that assessment is that Canelo is miles above Lemieux in his defensive instincts. Lets be honest..Lemieux for as much as i like his style has never been able to defens a jab. Ever. Even Tapia hit him with every jab. Canelo has been knocking guys down/out by waiting on the lead hand. Now I'm not sure Canelo can handle the punches but it stands to reason that he's going to give a good account of himself. He's the fastest, best defensive, best offensive , best moving and most accomplished fighter GGG has ever stood infront of. Does GGG stop him? Probably...but he'll know he's in a fight when he jumps in with a jab and Canelo times him with a right hand. If we're REALLY honest, we should worry more about what GGG is going to do about the counter punches coming from a guy who won't run and is sharper. The only reason we all think GGG is winning this fight is that none of us think Canelo can withstand a sustained attack over 12 by GGG....but can GGG even put em together often enough and withstand the counter attacks? We're all banking on Canelo withering but what happens if he's doing more of the hitting and avoiding of punches? We're assuming Canelo is going to have no answers like Wade..but he's no Wade. Canelo's skillset is actually really worrying as a GGG fan because there's a very real possibility that GGG has been fighting such a low level of competition that he could look silly when he steps up. People forget... GGG is the one stepping up in competition, not Canelo. We've seen it time and time again in the history of boxing where a killer has no answer vs another killer. GGG has spent years preparing for the Wade's of the world and Canelo is a live spoiler. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Angulo/Kirkland type of performance from Canelo where GGG looks overmatched because he can't get more than a punch at a time off before counters. The ginger has the tools..and if he punched as hard as GGG this would be a horrible mismatch in gingers favor. Don't count him out just yet. Canelo isn't the shelling up in the face of offense type.


With that being said... Nobody at MW should be able to take GGG's punches and I think Canelo will be no exception. I think GGG should win but the more I see GGG huffing and puffing after three rounds I'm becoming more intrigued. The question is really more about if Canelo can mitigate enough damage to stay strong and work GGG. If he can we have a toss up. Can GGG land on Canelo consistently like he does against these other guys? Time will tell.


I got GGG but I'll put a few bucks on Canelo just incase. Call it a gut feeling

[aboutfkntime]

LMAO at the posters who don't know what Garcia meant.....

He was obviously referring to styles.

He was obviously not calling Golovkin a basketball player.

[aboutfkntime]

That fight will be a lot more competitive than people think.

There could be a stoppage, but I can see it going the distance..... I favor Golovkin, but a Canelo win would not surprise me at all.

Great fight !

[aboutfkntime]

I like Robert, he is a great corner-man, but not 100% sold on him as a trainer.

Pretty sure that Eduardo Garcia did most of the early work with Mikey.

" he is not a boxer "

Garcia did not say that about Golovkin first.

He said it about Mike Alvarado while preparing Rios for their 2nd fight.

Garcia stated that Alvarado will do nothing different in the 2nd fight, so they don't need to prepare any differently.... so I wouldn't go and drop all my money on Canelo because of that comment.

But on that point, Canelo has shown more than Golovkin has, and he did it against much better opponents..... the posters who are saying that we have never seen Golovkin's skill-level because he has never fought an opponent who made him use his skills, are kinda missing 2 lil things.....

1) Will GGG be prepared for world-class opposition after fighting mostly static guys who were not good enough to force him to resort to using his skill-set?

2) When a proven world-class vet like Ward was sidelined for 18 months, Golovkin fans stated that he should be removed from the P4P lists, and that it was doubtful if Ward was still a top fighter..... again, this is a highly proven vet, following 18 months of inactivity.....

So, Ward's skill-set has eroded because he has not used it for 18 months.... and yet, how long ago was the last time you guys say that Golovkin had to use his skill-set?

Fighting regularly, against top opposition, is what lifts your game..... but does that also apply to Golovkin, or only to Ward?

[MrRolltide91]

I agree......

[artofpugilism]

I don't buy that GGG purposefully takes shots. GGG is defensively responsible. He's just not very good at avoiding shots. Part of it is due to him being a very offensive fighter. Part of it is due to him being slow and a bit robotic. Don't get me wrong. If I were GGG, I wouldn't change a single thing. He definitely gets pretty close to the max outta what his talent will allow.

I agree to a degree that he does take more shots with his offensive style, but thats what i mean i think he knows hes guna get caught to land one of his own. Thats how his offensive style works when hes looking to sit down on his shots. Against lemiuex he fought behind the jab didnt open up as much and hence didnt gef caught, im not saying lemieux is brilliant but it shows ggg knows when hes leaving himself open and when hes not. Just my opinion

[ThomasJK]

Valid points indeed.

Problem with that assessment is that Canelo is miles above Lemieux in his defensive instincts. Lets be honest..Lemieux for as much as i like his style has never been able to defens a jab. Ever. Even Tapia hit him with every jab. Canelo has been knocking guys down/out by waiting on the lead hand. Now I'm not sure Canelo can handle the punches but it stands to reason that he's going to give a good account of himself. He's the fastest, best defensive, best offensive , best moving and most accomplished fighter GGG has ever stood infront of. Does GGG stop him? Probably...but he'll know he's in a fight when he jumps in with a jab and Canelo times him with a right hand. If we're REALLY honest, we should worry more about what GGG is going to do about the counter punches coming from a guy who won't run and is sharper. The only reason we all think GGG is winning this fight is that none of us think Canelo can withstand a sustained attack over 12 by GGG....but can GGG even put em together often enough and withstand the counter attacks? We're all banking on Canelo withering but what happens if he's doing more of the hitting and avoiding of punches? We're assuming Canelo is going to have no answers like Wade..but he's no Wade. Canelo's skillset is actually really worrying as a GGG fan because there's a very real possibility that GGG has been fighting such a low level of competition that he could look silly when he steps up. People forget... GGG is the one stepping up in competition, not Canelo. We've seen it time and time again in the history of boxing where a killer has no answer vs another killer. GGG has spent years preparing for the Wade's of the world and Canelo is a live spoiler. It wouldn't surprise me to see an Angulo/Kirkland type of performance from Canelo where GGG looks overmatched because he can't get more than a punch at a time off before counters. The ginger has the tools..and if he punched as hard as GGG this would be a horrible mismatch in gingers favor. Don't count him out just yet. Canelo isn't the shelling up in the face of offense type.


With that being said... Nobody at MW should be able to take GGG's punches and I think Canelo will be no exception. I think GGG should win but the more I see GGG huffing and puffing after three rounds I'm becoming more intrigued. The question is really more about if Canelo can mitigate enough damage to stay strong and work GGG. If he can we have a toss up. Can GGG land on Canelo consistently like he does against these other guys? Time will tell.


I got GGG but I'll put a few bucks on Canelo just incase. Call it a gut feeling

While GGGs last opponent/manditory wasn't what anyone would call top tier competition, I'm not sure I'm convinced his last seven or eight prior fights were to lose level tomato cans/bums. Wasn't Rubio supposed to be his toughest challenge goi g into that fight. Same can be said about a few of the others. If this is the case why havent any of the upper level MW fighters at that time signing to fight GGG? Jacobs. Quillin, etc.?
At the same time, I'm not sure Alvarez has really fought the best when they were at their best. More like passed their primers like Cotto, Mosley, etc. so there deffinatelly is some grey area there to be addressed.
Now Canelo is no slouch, it wasn't very long ago when he lost to FMJ. Aster a few rounds of eating Mayweather jabs, he quit hitting back with counters. This went most of the rounds until the last two rounds when he had no choise but to bull rush Mayweather and again took head snapping jabs unto the final bell. What didnwe learn from this you ask? Canelo hates to be jabbed/punched in the face and every time he moved inside with a jab or right cross, ole floydie was there snapping counter punches to alvarezs already red face. He essentially quite midway through the fight. While GGG doesn't posses FMs speed, that piston jab and quick hard counters to the body and head will prove way to much for the young Mexican.

[THC]

Canelo hates to be jabbed/punched in the face and every time he moved inside with a jab or right cross, ole floydie was there snapping counter punches to alvarezs already red face. He essentially quite midway through the fight. While GGG doesn't posses FMs speed, that piston jab and quick hard counters to the body and head will prove way to much for the young Mexican.

You can bet GGG will be pumping that jab from round 1 and then eventually set up his power punches. I don't understand people who think GGG is just a come-forward slugger.

[aboutfkntime]

While GGGs last opponent/manditory wasn't what anyone would call top tier competition, I'm not sure I'm convinced his last seven or eight prior fights were to lose level tomato cans/bums. Wasn't Rubio supposed to be his toughest challenge goi g into that fight. Same can be said about a few of the others. If this is the case why havent any of the upper level MW fighters at that time signing to fight GGG? Jacobs. Quillin, etc.?
At the same time, I'm not sure Alvarez has really fought the best when they were at their best. More like passed their primers like Cotto, Mosley, etc. so there deffinatelly is some grey area there to be addressed.
Now Canelo is no slouch, it wasn't very long ago when he lost to FMJ. Aster a few rounds of eating Mayweather jabs, he quit hitting back with counters. This went most of the rounds until the last two rounds when he had no choise but to bull rush Mayweather and again took head snapping jabs unto the final bell. What didnwe learn from this you ask? Canelo hates to be jabbed/punched in the face and every time he moved inside with a jab or right cross, ole floydie was there snapping counter punches to alvarezs already red face. He essentially quite midway through the fight. While GGG doesn't posses FMs speed, that piston jab and quick hard counters to the body and head will prove way to much for the young Mexican.

GGG doesn't possess Mayweather's speed, accuracy, timing, OR intelligence..... so that is a huge call.

Canelo has fought plenty of guys who had a jab.

Same with Ward in regards to Kovalev.

[LaidOut]

GGG doesn't possess Mayweather's speed, accuracy, timing, OR intelligence..... so that is a huge call.

Canelo has fought plenty of guys who had a jab.

Same with Ward in regards to Kovalev.

Doesn't even matter now that Canelo/GBP proved they don't want that work.
GGG: "I want my belt. Give me my belt."
Canelo: "Si, si."