Is there a double standard present in boxing today???

[PivotandRoll]

It's impossible to judge the situation because our views are tainted by who we are. If you're a black who got screwed by a white guy once, you're prone to generalize and say there's a lot of racism in the world.
If you're a white guy who got beat up a black guy because they were tougher, you're likely to say that racism is bogus.

I believe that there's a lot of racism in the world from both sides.
There's racism against blacks from white people in the US because they associate them with criminal activity, and they don't trust them. As an example, if a typical suburban white guy sees a black guy in a hoodie and a dorag, he's likely to label him a thug strictly by the way he looks. Some white folk say that in America specifically, there is no race bias, and if you work hard, you'll get there. That nobody judges you by skin color. They're living in a dream world.

On the flipside, a lot of african americans think that whites are both weak and are there to screw them over. A white male is generally seen as weak by african american males. Being tough is an important of an african american culture, and one of the ignorant ways to establish your dominance is to put down others. Very often, african americans will ignore the idea of 'sample size' and make a generalization that whites are there to screw them over.


I can't be 100% objective because I belong to a race. Nobody can be purely objective, we're all tainted one way or another.

My personal opinion is that, in America, it is more difficult to succeed as an African American fighter. That is because the powerful people in boxing (along with the rest of institutions in the US) are predominantly white. When 90% of people in power belong to one race, you're obviously gonna get more bias.

Yes I believe you have a very skewered version of the world. Dominance and putting others down is in now way at all specific to the black race. It's pretty much how males communicate. Like I'm actually amazed you have that delusion...Popularity in males all over the world is decided by toughness and ability with women. You probably think your **** is bigger than all the white men you see....wow, you'd be so sad to know the truth. Can't you see we are all the same? Nerdy white guys, nerdy blacky guys. Tough White guys, tough black guys. Big. small, ******, smart, ugly and beautiful.


Just so you know in Ireland If I, a 22 year old white male walk down the street with a hoodie I will be the one stopped by cops and looked at as if I'm a criminal .But you would never consider that right?

I honestly don't get it...Why wasn't a guy like Chris Algieri signed early and protected if white fighters are so valuable???

[PivotandRoll]

It's not that there's blatant bias by the institutions it's what people see from other fans. Currently it's how the table's been flipped on Wilder. In what other world can someone fail a test for PEDs and his opposition is the one being referred to as a coward and a *****, for turning down the fight? I haven't seen anything like this in my life.

Yeah that part is sad

[Akan]

Yeah that part is sad

Even then it's still odd the fight isn't outright cancelled. Why isn't Povetkin getting routed by the WBC? All athletes were notified months in advance that melodnium would be added to the ban list in January of 2016, yet they still hesitate to bring down the hammer. It may be evidence for some institutionalized bias but I wouldn't be quick to say racism, I like to know the hard facts before inserting a reason, but I'm logic oriented like that, I can't say the same for those that are more emotional about this stuff.

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I don't like that you group Hispanics in there. I almost never see them whiine about bias/oppression on here.

Only one group consistently pushes that BS and you threw Hispanics in there to make it look more legit.

[PivotandRoll]

I don't like that you group Hispanics in there. I almost never see them whiine about bias/oppression on here.

Only one group consistently pushes that BS and you threw Hispanics in there to make it look more legit.

Other people have been grouping them together, not me!

[Akan]

I don't like that you group Hispanics in there. I almost never see them whiine about bias/oppression on here.

Only one group consistently pushes that BS and you threw Hispanics in there to make it look more legit.

Some people have quoted Hispanic fighters/coaches and lumped them in, even if they did, so what? There's plenty of racism to go around in the boxing community, don't hesitate to join the party.

[PivotandRoll]

Even then it's still odd the fight isn't outright cancelled. Why isn't Povetkin getting routed by the WBC? All athletes were notified months in advance that melodnium would be added to the ban list in January of 2016, yet they still hesitate to bring down the hammer. It may be evidence for some institutionalized bias but I wouldn't be quick to say racism, I like to know the hard facts before inserting a reason, but I'm logic oriented like that, I can't say the same for those that are more emotional about this stuff.

Maybe a b sample? has that been mentioned?

I mean look at Lucas Browne...Cheated...stripped and banned.

[j0zef]

Yes I believe you have a very skewered version of the world. Dominance and putting others down is in now way at all specific to the black race. It's pretty much how males communicate. Like I'm actually amazed you have that delusion...Popularity in males all over the world is decided by toughness and ability with women. You probably think your **** is bigger than all the white men you see....wow, you'd be so sad to know the truth. Can't you see we are all the same? Nerdy white guys, nerdy blacky guys. Tough White guys, tough black guys. Big. small, ******, smart, ugly and beautiful.


Just so you know in Ireland If I, a 22 year old white male walk down the street with a hoodie I will be the one stopped by cops and looked at as if I'm a criminal .But you would never consider that right?

I honestly don't get it...Why wasn't a guy like Chris Algieri signed early and protected if white fighters are so valuable???

We are all the same. But we're not treated the same because many people have bias against things they don't understand. And today the majority of people in power are white.

And you misunderstood me. If you walked down the street in a hoodie, yes, you would also look like a thug. However, there are different degrees to which people will treat you like a thug. Most likely you would be looked at as a misguided kid. A black man dressed in the same way as you may be looked on as a criminal.

Please don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to be patronizing. But you're just a kid. You have very limited experience in the world and you see the world as black and white [not talking about race]. As you get older, you'll realize nothing is ever that simple. the world is different shades of gray.


Btw, just so you know where I'm coming from.. I'm a fairly affluent US citizen about 10 years older than you. I have lived in 3 different countries and have traveled to many, many others. On government forms, I check my nationality as either 'Other' or 'White' depending on how I feel that day.

[therealpugilist]

Honest question, I've been painted as some white devil for failing to see this double standard that African Amercan and Hispanic fighter must suffer through today.

As far as I was concerned what professional boxing involved was either being well known from your amateur career and being signed based on that or you convince someone to believe in you or pay for your own first fights until a promoter picks you up. Now I imagine the cream would rise to crop, but apparently not?

And Positive tests for white fighters are swept under the rug or treated lightly while others are treated harshly?? I don't know... Can someone enlighten me? This is an honest question...If you feel I'm race baiting or anything then don't even comment, I probably wont reply , rather just read what you guys say.

1) I dont think you are race baiting. It is a legitimate question and everyone has their own ideas, experiences, and opinion

2) You're not a white devil, its just that you can't illegitimize experiences of people from other races when you havent had to deal with their issues or day to day life. I cant tell you what irish go through in britain or whatever nor can a brit tell a hispanic how it is for them in america. it goes both ways.

3) Povetkin hasnt fought in a while so idk if "traced amounts" is accurate. He may have been using it recently in small doses and maintaining his cycle time, who knows but IMO the reaction from fans is telling.

4) Povetkin has had the weakest reaction I've seen of a fighter testing positive. I never saw a fighter have excuses made for them for cheating and they are giving him benefit of doubt, which is fair. Yet others have positive tests, regardless of usage, bad meat, medical exemptions or reasons, or IV usage and they are automatically labeled cheats.

5)Personally its a double standard imo, its one in everyday life so why would it be different in the media or sports. Mexicans and blacks are labeled as criminals, lazy, dishonest by american media all the time and often make the worst instances visible and dont show much positive images.

6) The guy that killed 9 people in black church was apprehended non violently and was even taken to burger king because he said he was hungry before they turned him in. No guns on him, didnt beat him up, and the guy is a murderer.

ever heard of james dillion vs the nypd...this guy murdered several people, attacked cops and was not killed when apprehended but taken to the hospital...yet unarmed people of color are killed and beaten daily....just look up instances in this year alone in the us is the definition of a double standard is laws, police profiling, safety, etc.

[PivotandRoll]

We are all the same. But we're not treated the same because many people have bias against things they don't understand. And today the majority of people in power are white.

And you misunderstood me. If you walked down the street in a hoodie, yes, you would also look like a thug. However, there are different degrees to which people will treat you like a thug. Most likely you would be looked at as a misguided kid. A black man dressed in the same way as you may be looked on as a criminal.

Please don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to be patronizing. But you're just a kid. You have very limited experience in the world and you see the world as black and white [not talking about race]. As you get older, you'll realize nothing is ever that simple. the world is different shades of gray.


Btw, just so you know where I'm coming from.. I'm a fairly affluent US citizen about 10 years older than you. I have lived in 3 different countries and have traveled to many, many others. On government forms, I check my nationality as either 'Other' or 'White' depending on how I feel that day.

Oh I believe very much that you know much more than me about this and I appreciate you sharing your opinions with me. You have opened my eyes a little, it's not that you shouldn't complain because maybe in Ireland I would also get treated that way but rather no one should be treated that way in the first place.

I hope I get to see as much of the world as you one day.