Comments Thread For: Mayweather: I'm Not Ducking Golovkin, When Will He Move Up?

[doom_specialist]

PAC gave up that 8th paper belt on the spot. When you hold on to it for 3.5yrs, are 2x, unified, lineal you don't get to use the too small excuse

When a sanctioning body allows you to hold a belt for as long as Mayweather did without defending it in its division, we know who the real culprit is, and it isn't Mayweather. Sanctioning body greed doesn't make Mayweather a super welterweight.

When you haven't fought in a division for 3+ years, you are not a fighter of that division, period. Knock it off with the technical crap.

[HeroBando]

When a sanctioning body allows you to hold a belt for as long as Mayweather did without defending it in its division, we know who the real culprit is, and it isn't Mayweather. Sanctioning body greed doesn't make Mayweather a super welterweight.

When you haven't fought in a division for 3+ years, you are not a fighter of that division, period. Knock it off with the technical crap.

They didn't do it for free. Anyway challenging a champ with those creds at his weight is always fair game. Floyd doesn't have to entertain it but this is not the way. Makes him look like a duck when there's no ducking to be done.

[doom_specialist]

They didn't do it for free. Anyway challenging a champ with those creds at his weight is always fair game. Floyd doesn't have to entertain it but this is not the way. Makes him look like a duck when there's no ducking to be done.

Fair game? Bull****. Any fighter going after a guy 2 divisions under him is cherry picking, plain and simple. Add to that that the guy has been out of the ring over a year and is old as dirt going by boxing standards. It's understandable because you get to make a gazillion dollars if Mayweather fights you, but it's still a cherry pick. That's like saying that Louis vs. Marciano was fair because of The Bomber's creds, but again, we both know that's a crock. At least they were in the same division though.


Floyd is in promoter mode, so he's going to entertain anything that creates a buzz. He's not gonna fight McGregor either, but no one is moronic enough to say he's ducking him.

Actually, I take that back.

[HeroBando]

Fair game? Bull****. Any fighter going after a guy 2 divisions under him is cherry picking, plain and simple. Add to that that the guy has been out of the ring over a year and is old as dirt going by boxing standards. It's understandable because you get to make a gazillion dollars if Mayweather fights you, but it's still a cherry pick. That's like saying that Louis vs. Marciano was fair because of The Bomber's creds, but again, we both know that's a crock. At least they were in the same division though.


Floyd is in promoter mode, so he's going to entertain anything that creates a buzz. He's not gonna fight McGregor either, but no one is moronic enough to say he's ducking him.

Actually, I take that back.

That's fine, he's retired so stop with these ******ed "demands". But it's never a cherry pick to call out a reigning champ with those creds at his weight. If anything it's advantage champ. Maybe Floyd was an especially weak champ at Sww, is that what you're saying? He looked great vs Canelo at 152, would have been easy work at 154 too imo

[Reverb]

What I'm hearing is you want Floyd, a 40 year old retired man, to come back move up two weight divisions and fight a MW in hopes of him being beaten when said MW brings no money and not even very much legacy considering he's beat no one. Tell me, why would anyone fight GGG at 160 for less money than Danny Garcia at 147?

Maybe when the name buzz translates to PPV sales Floyd will give GGG a fight.

It puts me neither up nor down is Mayweather comes back, I'm not one of the emotionally attached posters. I don't think he needs to return and don't think he needs to fight GGG if he does.
All I was saying was, it's Floyd who was talking about GGG and what I read in it was what I think the idea behind his first condition to make it happen is; plus his mentioning of GGG suggests he regards Golovkin as the top buzz name in the scene.

Name buzz translating to PPV sales? FMJ vs Golovkin would dwarf FMJ vs Garcia, that's quite clear isn't it? Otherwise why would Floyd even mention Golovkin? It's all just promo talk anyway but Golovkin was the chosen subject, he wasn't talking about Garcia there.

[doom_specialist]

That's fine, he's retired so stop with these ******ed "demands". But it's never a cherry pick to call out a reigning champ with those creds at his weight. If anything it's advantage champ. Maybe Floyd was an especially weak champ at Sww, is that what you're saying? He looked great vs Canelo at 152, would have been easy work at 154 too imo

His "******ed demands" have people talking, which is exactly what a promoter wants. Dana White said Ronda Rousey was the most dominant athlete on Earth, and we know that it wasn't true, so when Mayweather says that a guy has to go up 2 weight classes and then drop back down 3 to get a fight, I expect people to take a hint. It ain't happening, and this is for publicity.

Sure he looked good against Canelo, but that was 3 years ago, and Mayweather showed his age in the Pacquiao and Berto fights. All of your posturing will never change the fact that Mayweather is not a 154 pound fighter. If Canelo would have been easy work at 154, then Golovkin should just hit 155 and get paid already. He's apparently letting 5 pounds ruin a major payday and access to a belt that he wants desperately.

One more time: Mayweather is old, retired, and 2 weight classes under Golovkin. Golovkin should fight guys his size, and his team should stop mentioning Mayweather altogether. Good night bro. Good talk.

[JUNIABOY]

That's such a bull**** statement from FMJ...He set a criteria by saying GGG has to face someone at 175 before he can face him at 154?...that doesn't make any sense at all. For starters, there is no guarantee that even if GGG moved up to 168, that he'll get the Ward fight. Everyone knows Ward is contracted for 2 more fights on his HBO contract. So, a fight with Ward is a year away at the earliest. So, basically, FMJ won't even bother looking GGG's way for 1 year...that's what he's saying. Even after Ward's contract has been satisfied, there's no guarantee that he'll fight GGG right after (& seriously, we don't know at what weight that will occur...1 year away, remember). And I don't want to hear this crap about FMJ being too small for GGG when he himself said that GGG would be "easy work."...of course, GGG responded by saying "I would like that easy work...that easy money." So, it seems that FMJ is trying to set the fans up for another cherry pick. Of course, FMJ fans will try to argue against this by saying that FMJ is a WW who doesn't need GGG on his resume. That's fine, if you want to stick to that...of course, that puts them in the hole with statements like "easy work" and the fact that FMJ has actually fought at 154 before...don't bring me those weak arguments about the CW fight against Canelo...because, any way you slice it, that was still a bout at jr MW. And there's the double standard argument that GGG critics love to bring up...nearly all their arguments against GGG are double-edged swords that can be turned right back on them. Let's go over some of them, shall we:

1) GGG needs to move up in weight to prove his greatness.
~rebuttal: wouldn't that mean that FMJ can't be that great if he doesn't want to move up either?
~rebuttal of rebuttal: FMJ has already moved up 5 weight classes.
~counter: but what's stopping him from moving up to 154 when not only has he fought at that division before, but he seems to not have any trouble making weight (or actually, it seems he might be too big for 147 if he needs an IV...I'll get to more of that later).
2) GGG needs to fight Canelo at 155 if he can fight FMJ at 154.
~rebuttal: that's exactly what GGG is trying to do, except at 160 for the 160 title. Shouldn't the criticism be on Canelo if he refuses to defend his 160 belt at 160? I mean, why would Canelo hold onto the 160 belt when he already said he's not a MW? Why? Couldn't he just lose that extra pound & go back to fighting at 154?
~rebuttal to rebuttal: but Canelo is the A-side & can dictate whatever he wants.
~counter: sure, A-side when the money is to be decided. But the sport still dictates what the weight division is. And GGG will come out smelling of roses if Canelo either vacates or is stripped.
~double counter: maybe if the bout wasn't for a belt, 155 would be an acceptable demand to make. But, remember, there's a belt involved. In the eyes of boxing fans, Canelo will lose face if he doesn't secure a fight with GGG. And since GGG's team would only accept it at 160, the fight would be at the actual weight division limit. Totally respectable.
3) GGG said anybody from 154-168. The guy is a fraud if he says anybody at 154, but won't take on Canelo at 155 or any of the jr MW champions like Andrade or Lara.
~rebuttal: already went over this on Canelo, but the jr MW's are all playing it safe hoping that they themselves get a Canelo (or Cotto) payday. Even Lara's manager acknowledged that he never tried in good faith to secure a GGG fight for Lara.
~rebuttal to rebuttal: if GGG wanted to be great, he should have taken on the challenge...the guy is all talk.
~counter: not sure how GGG is not challenging himself when his 1st priority is Canelo, then BJS, both boxers who own the belts he covets. He probably can't get Jacobs since Jacobs already is trying to secure a match in Barclays Center. So, the 4th option is 168 champion Ramirez. All 4 of those bouts are definitely challenging fights. Don't see how anybody could consider those matchups as better options than anything else.
4) GGG shouldn't have ducked Ward if he really is great.
~rebuttal: it is not a duck if the opponent is not in your weight division. But more precisely, Ward & GGG were moving in different directions. And GGG was more than willing to fight Ward...RocNation might have ****ed up the negotiations if it's true that they refused to come off the money split. Whatever, it doesn't matter since Ward went in a different direction. & if Ward really wanted to fight GGG, he would have stayed at 168 & fought Dirrell, Bute, & DeGale instead of tune-ups at 168. & another thing, why does Ward get the benefit of tune-ups, but GGG does not?
~rebuttal to rebuttal: GGG is a coward for running his mouth about 168 yet turning down Ward.
~counter: same thing can be said about Ward. In fact, it's alarming how often Ward mentions GGG (a smaller fighter) when GGG himself won't even engage with him on his words (it's always the trainer or promoted who answers back). More so, Ward is the one who can't stop talking about GGG. And it's a known tactic to name-drop famous boxers to gain buzz for yourself. Kell Brook did it before he fought Bizier. And Ward's been doing it ever since he signed with RocNation.
~double counter: it also seems that Ward won't even come back down to 168. It may appear that if a fight between the 2 were to ever happen, it would be at a CW like 172-173. So, basically, FMJ is asking GGG to move up 2 weight classes in order for GGG to earn the right to fight him. Still hard to get over that one.
5) FMJ is too small for GGG.
~rebuttal: then, why can't FMJ just say that & the topic would be done with?
~rebuttal to rebuttal: GGG should move up instead of chasing a WW.
~counter: you mean like Canelo? Joking aside, GGG isn't even considered a big MW. Big MW's are guys like Quillin (who also is afraid of fighting GGG). If FMJ is a WW, then why was he so dehydrated that he needed an IV?...personally, it felt more like he was juicing rather than rehydrating since the fight doctors always check for dehydration before weigh-ins & there was no evidence that FMJ was dehydrated enough to use an IV.
& 6) FMJ's is a businessman who doesn't need to cave in to public demand.
~rebuttal: technically, the biggest money bout out there for FMJ is GGG...same for Canelo. I'm sure FMJ has already looked at the risk/reward ratio of taking on GGG at 154, & determined that to gain another advantage on GGG, he places a prerequisite of having to move up 12-15 lbs to face Ward, then come back down 21 lbs to face him. I don't care who you are, nobody in boxing is going to do that. Not even the ATG's could do that.
~rebuttal to rebuttal: if GGG really was that great, he would take the risk to get the big name on his resume.
~counter: right back at FMJ--if he really was great, then he would take the risk. The potential money would definitely point at FMJ making the 9 figures that he supposedly wants if he faces GGG. There's very little buzz about him taking on Pacquiao in a rematch, & fans might already be put off from the 1st one to shell out another 100. But to see the defensive master against a KO artist like GGG would definitely bring in the fans. And it would be a legitimate bout, rather than the side show of facing Connor McGregor, the most amateur 160 boxer FMJ could ever find.

FMJ is playing his fans for fools. Most recognized his ways a long time ago. But those who still drink the kool-aid might never recognize these logical loophole FMJ keeps putting himself in. Either put up, or shut up.

[mjbjst]

Mayweather beats ggg 12 rounds to nothing

[JUNIABOY]

I see nothing but double standard excuses from FMJ fans. I get it...you guys love FMj because he's your favorite boxer. But call it how it is. Boxing is sport, first & foremost. For anyone to make the excuse that FMJ hasn't fought at 154 in 3 years & is a natural 147 lb'er, then that pretty much closes the book on FMJ being considered THE all-time-great..you can officially throw out all that TBE talk. And before FMJ fans blow a gasket, let me remind you that Hearns (a natural WW) moved up to fight Hagler (a natural MW). So, if FMJ can't even duplicate what Hearns did, how can we rank him higher than Hearns? Look, if you want to call yourself TBE, then there will be standards that you must reach. One of them is taking on a dangerous opponent...like GGG. And GGG never called out FMJ...he just answered a question in an interview. You can say the same for FMJ, true...but then FMj had to go & say that GGG would be "easy work." Well, put up or shut up. I've never seen a single interview where GGG didn't give respect to FMJ when answering questions on the topic. FMJ fans are reaching when they try to put all the onus back on GGG & his team when, really, FMJ is the one who's putting himself in this situation.

[JUNIABOY]

It's painful to watch some FMj fans try to defend him by saying that GGG needs to give up this concession if he wants the FMj fight. That's ******. Concessions are in contracts. What FMJ did was set a criteria in order for GGG to be considered?...that's it. If this truly was a concession, a contract should be drawn up that states that FMJ will fight GGG at 154 after GGG fights Ward (he never said anything about having to beat him). Of course, they'd have to get Ward in on this contract too. That's a whole lot of steps to get 1 fight. Just call it how it is, huh...FMJ is setting you up so that he can cherry pick his 50th win...Danny Garcia anybody?

...anybody??