Comments Thread For: Povetkin Tests Positive For Meldonium, Wilder Title Off

[Eff Pandas]

Do the right thing for the fans. If Wilder is still game, let them fight. If he KO's Povetkin it won't matter anyway, if Povetkin gases over 12 it'll clearly debunk any "performance enhancement". It's a win win.

You aren't looking at the big picture here.

This is a dangerous sport even if everything goes perfect. Guys have been severely injured & killed in the ring. We've all seen this, probably many times at this point. I don't think you are appreciating the fact that if the WBC lets these guys fight with Povetkin testing positive for this substance & Wilder or Povetkin gets severely injured or killed in this fight what exactly that would mean for the WBC, the promoter &/or anyone else with money in this fight & most importantly for boxing as a sport.

That would make Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off look like nothing in the bad PR & ****storm it would bring.

[El-blanco]

LOL **** man who knows. This is a nutty ass situation. I'd guess no, unless he tests positive for this substance during a pre fight (day of the fight) or post fight test. I think results that could be perceived as his in the ring PED status would be the decider. Thats just my assumption, who knows.

I think it should be a NC because whether it's in his system the day before, or the day of, it still aided in his preparation of the fight. I think wilder should fight him if that's the case. It's the win he needs and if he loses, as long as it's not brutal, it won't affect his image.

[sicko]

who is going to tell that guy what WADA means?

[-PBP-]

The point is, ESPN is the only one saying it's cancelled. 4 other sources say it hasn't yet been decided, including WBC themselves.

He never said it was cancelled and even said the WBC hadn't made a decision. All he said was that Team Wilder was moving forward as if it were cancelled and are preparing to return home.

[Combat Talk Radio]

The point is that something posted yesterday is not an update.

You're also correct when you say anybody can post something "they think" 10 minutes ago which is exactly what you did yourself.

Wrong. I posted tweets from people who state there hasn't been a decision made. Directly contradicting Dan Rafael's presumptive tweet.

Those tweets are backed up by the absence of an official statement from WBC - the ONLY party who is authorized to call off the fight due to this.

If you go to Dan Rafael's link, he even says "they haven't heard from the WBC yet" - which means he's pulling it out of his ass and everyone is reacting. Stop that.

There has been NO OFFICIAL DECISION MADE AS OF RIGHT NOW. That's my point. Dan Rafael is not an official source. He's ONE guy at ONE network making a theory based on what he's heard and he's been wrong before. He was the nutcase who said "MayPac's off", remember?

Maybe Wilder/Povetkin is off, maybe it's not, but IT'S NOT DECIDED YET until the WBC calls a decision.

Hell, we haven't even gotten B side samples yet. Did Povetkin even ask? We don't know. You know nothing at this point.

You aren't looking at the big picture here.

As I've said 23 times now, it's F'n meldonium. There is literally zero risk of injury to Deontay Wilder based on less than a milligram of a substance not proven conclusively to improve performance in healthy athletes. The only reason it's banned is because a lot of athletes started using it. There's no evidence. Even if there was, the size detected is way too small to make a difference.

If this were THG or some anabolic steroid, we wouldn't be having this discussion because I would 100% agree with you. But it's not.

If Wilder's team wants to cancel the fight, I'm okay with that. It's his choice and then he can sue to get the escrow account. I'm fine with that decision.

Creatine does more to build mass. Creatine has more chance to cause serious damage to opponents (ask Nick Blackwell). Yet it's not banned.

Give me a break man. This is all political BS.

[Combat Talk Radio]

He never said it was cancelled and even said the WBC hadn't made a decision. All he said was that Team Wilder was moving forward as if it were cancelled and are preparing to return home.

No. His tweet specifically says (and people are reacting to):

It looks like the Deontay Wilder-Alexander Povetkin fight will be canceled due to Povetkin's positive drug test... https://t.co/2tD7WCHTo8

— Dan Rafael (@danrafaelespn) May 15, 2016

He started this whole mess with the way he worded that tweet.

What he SHOULD have said is,

"Though there has been no official confirmation, Wilder's team believes that the fight may be canceled, and are preparing to head back to the US."

Then stress that until official confirmation has been received, the fight is still assumed to be on. Because that's where we're at.

[Eff Pandas]

I think it should be a NC because whether it's in his system the day before, or the day of, it still aided in his preparation of the fight. I think wilder should fight him if that's the case. It's the win he needs and if he loses, as long as it's not brutal, it won't affect his image.

Yea honestly I'd agree with your take, but I'd expect what I said if I'm being honest. I mean Francisco Vargas popped already for a banned substance thus if he beats Orlando Salido one would think that fight would be a NC too based on what you are saying, but I highly suspect as long as Vargas is clean in the ring it'll be a W for him.

I don't think many officials or fans got a very deep understanding of how PEDs work & that most of the gains you are getting aren't fight night in the ring gains they are fight night in the ring gains that got there via enhanced training in the weeks, months & potentially years someone has used certain substances while cycling on & off of them. Thats why even the testing most people are doing in boxing today is hilariously &/or disturbingly ineffective. But there is a learning curve with all this stuff & its at least slowly moving in the right direction, but the PED IQ most people have in & around the sport is disappointing.

[Combat Talk Radio]

BIG UPDATE: Wilder/Povetkin was NOT canceled, it was rescheduled. Date not determined yet, apparently.

Бой Поветкин-Уайлдер перенесён. Состоится, но в другую дату. А 21 мая вечер Бокса будет с главным боем Лебедев-Рамирес.

— Рябинский Андрей (@Ryabinskiy) May 15, 2016

This is a fair outcome. Doesn't waste a training camp for Wilder.

[Eff Pandas]

As I've said 23 times now, it's F'n meldonium.

Give me a break man. This is all political BS.

Its not political lol. Its a banned substance thus its deemed a performance enhancer that gets fights canceled & fighters suspended. Everything isn't a conspiracy.

And bro you are preaching to the choir on certain things maybe not needing to be on the banned substance list. I've agreed with you on that already in this thread & I've brought this up myself in other PED threads, but the reality is this substance is currently a banned substance. If you wanna change the status of this substance in the future along with other substances fair play with that, but you can't change the now with this substance.

[Eff Pandas]

WBC guy is using postponed instead of canceled

The @WBCBoxing is confirming that the May 21 @BronzeBomber vs @ALEXANDERACHA is postponed.

— Mauricio Sulaiman (@wbcmoro) May 15, 2016