Comments Thread For: Gennady Golovkin Extensive Interview on Canelo, Much More

[OnePunch]

I also forgot to ask you wouldn't the same thing have happened if they went with Froch or Floyd? They were still ready to accept those fights. So in your opinion (I've never heard the WBC or K2 talk about losing the mando spot) why were they willing to lose it for Floyd or Froch but not Ward, if unification was really priority #1?

again, you have to factor in the context of WHEN those conversations took place. The Lemieux fight, and the added IBF constraints since that fight, have really altered the dynamic going forward.

But before that, as it pertains to Froch, Floyd, etc., it just depends on the time. The WBA hasnt enforced a mando since Bill Clinton was President (im exaggerating, but you get the idea), so prior to the WBC getting involved after the Rubio fight, GGG could have fought whomever he pleased. After the Rubio fight, when GGG became the WBC mando, he could have done a Floyd / Froch / Chavez fight in place of either the Murray or Monroe fights, as the step aside deals allowed him to do that.

I still have a hard time seeing where some have found inconsistencies with K2 / GGGs statements. It seems consistent to me. Priority 1 is unifications. If they cant get those, then Priority 2 is big fights at 154 or 168. If they cant get those then Priority 3 is stay-busy fights against the Murrays and Monroes. Why do some people have a hard time accepting that? Seems solid to me.....

[kafkod]

I also forgot to ask you wouldn't the same thing have happened if they went with Froch or Floyd? They were still ready to accept those fights. So in your opinion (I've never heard the WBC or K2 talk about losing the mando spot) why were they willing to lose it for Floyd or Froch but not Ward, if unification was really priority #1?

All K2 have said about Froch and Floyd was that Golovkin would be willing to go up or down to fight either of them. No offers were sent and no dates were mentioned.

I don't think anybody, except the numbskulls who post s**** in Golovkin threads here, seriously believed that Golovkin might recieve an offer to fight either of them before his mando with the WBC was settled.

[Decepticus]

Great interview. I wish more people interviewed him in Russian or in his native language.

[about.thousands]

Ward sent his offer to Loeffler after GGG had signed to fight Lemieux and had been given a contract by the WBC gauranteeing him a mandatory shot at the title - providing he beat Lemieux, of course.

Loeffler's response was that Golovkin's focus was on 160 and that if Ward wanted the fight at 168 he should come back and ask again in 2017.

again, you have to factor in the context of WHEN those conversations took place. The Lemieux fight, and the added IBF constraints since that fight, have really altered the dynamic going forward.

But before that, as it pertains to Froch, Floyd, etc., it just depends on the time. The WBA hasnt enforced a mando since Bill Clinton was President (im exaggerating, but you get the idea), so prior to the WBC getting involved after the Rubio fight, GGG could have fought whomever he pleased. After the Rubio fight, when GGG became the WBC mando, he could have done a Floyd / Froch / Chavez fight in place of either the Murray or Monroe fights, as the step aside deals allowed him to do that.

I still have a hard time seeing where some have found inconsistencies with K2 / GGGs statements. It seems consistent to me. Priority 1 is unifications. If they cant get those, then Priority 2 is big fights at 154 or 168. If they cant get those then Priority 3 is stay-busy fights against the Murrays and Monroes. Why do some people have a hard time accepting that? Seems solid to me.....

All K2 have said about Froch and Floyd was that Golovkin would be willing to go up or down to fight either of them. No offers were sent and no dates were mentioned.

I don't think anybody, except the numbskulls who post s**** in Golovkin threads here, seriously believed that Golovkin might recieve an offer to fight either of them before his mando with the WBC was settled.

Like I said. When it comes to everyone else things are straight forward. When it comes to Ward everything is nuanced......

[Eastcoast]

He actually seemed to give more respect to Chavez Jr than Alvarez, Martinez, Jacobs, Saunders, Froch, ect.

Hopefully Jacobs doesn't stay silent, I think he's up next.

[NearHypnos]

This is like how Arum did Floyd where he'd "offer" things (with Pac) to him despite him already tied up or already saying he was taking a year off..jail, etc. Same fans who had Floyd's back then for using common sense are the ones giving GGG s hit over the Ward thing when it's the same thing except Ward as usual trying to weasel his way through negotiations (I LOVE Ward but if you can't admt that dude sounds terrible to negotiate with then you probably have an agenda). It's all posturing. Offering a guy a fight when he already has one for a title in his division knowing he wants to unify then saying he refused. If they spoke clearly it'd sound like "well...he had a fight..so teeechnically he refused to fight us". But if they word it that way we'd laugh.


GGG probably wanted it. Obviously Ward would want to fight a smaller man in uncharted territory. Neither are scared but I think we can all agree that if we were to think on who'd be the ones causing problems at the table it'd be team ward as dude is notorious for it.

It's ironic that its still 154-168 for a big fight but wont fight Canelo at 55 just because of the title. They're putting themselves in a spot where if Canelo vacates and still tries to make the fight at 155 they'd have no ground to stand on. Theyd be in essence passing up Canelo to fight a random for a vacant title. Canelo has been saying not for titles recently sooo...that scenario is most likely going to happen and then we'll see how serious GGG's team is. They're getting the benefit of the doubt on the Ward thing by all but Ward's 8 fanatics (the lil g types) so if they can't make Canelo some heads will start to turn.

Honestly...Canelo is such a big name that I didn't think anyone but Cotto in that weight range was ****** enough to even negotiate...that's like trying to negotiate with Floyd and not be Manny Pacquiao. When Floyd calls you answer. Now it's similar with Canelo but we have a guy who won't fight him unconditionally (which he SHOULDNT if its for the title. But even then...most would have made the fight at 55 regardless). Lets see how it plays out. They'll fight eventually...will GGG be past his mid 30s is the question. Canelo coukd wait 4 years and still be in his 20s. Team GGG needs to make an executive decision soon and either man up or stop talking. Fans will eventually see GGG as the common denominator in big fights not being made and turn on him... It's not always about who/what's right in boxing but what you do about it. Sergio Martinez fought for his s hit and put his money where his mouth was against the bigger name. Pavlik fought for his..BHop fought for his. GGG needs to fight for his too. We can all moan about Canelo weight and how it's a shame but isnt that more reason to fight? Canelo should be embarassed but so should the entire mw division..that a 155 pounder is the lineal mw champ and theyre letting him get away with in.

Love GGG but many of us won't stick by his side if he continues to refuse fights out of principle. Something has got to give and in this sport...don't hold your breath on the A side being the one to bend. The A side isnt given..it's taken.

[bug0092]

Like I said. When it comes to everyone else things are straight forward. When it comes to Ward everything is nuanced......

Nuanced? When exactly was Ward ready to fight? Mayweather and Froch were always going to be big draws and big $ fights even coming out of retirement. And very likely worth taking a detour for. It's common sense. Ward, however, hasn't done anything significant in the ring in years. Still really hasn't. K2 and HBO were ready to make the fight and they all agreed it needed time to build it up. All they've consistently asked of Ward was to get busy, rebuild your brand, and then we can talk. It's been stated clearly and consistently for the past 2 years. Whether you like the way it comes out of Abel's mouth, Tom's mouth or GGG's doesn't matter. It's all been the same thing. Ward had plenty of time to make the fight happen, but he didn't do squat. Sending a lousy offer to GGG then running to the press with it while calling Golovkin names made the move seem more like a publicity stunt rather than a true intent to pursue the fight. No sane person in GGG's position would've signed that contract. End of story. If you would've, tell me why....

The real nuances come from all the critics who prefer to read body language, put words in people's mouths or thoughts in their heads all while ignoring the changing landscape of GGG's career path to suit their own biased agenda.

[ИATAS]

Lol that was obvious. The people saying Canelo ducked GGG to fight Khan are dumb ****s. K2/GGG let them.

"Let them" because they obviously felt that was the best way to actually get a Canelo fight. They wanted the Canelo fight then and there but it's a slippery slope; be too aggressive and Canelo drops the belt/or stripped of the belt and GGG gets no fight at all. Or work with Golden Boy and come to an agreement in good faith to fight later in the year which is obviously what they did. That's what they were banking on and still banking on. Obviously we don't even know if Canelo is going to take this fight with Golovkin this year or if there will be other problems (weight, date, money, etc). Prior to Khan, he was absolutely adamant on fighting at 155. Since the Khan fight, Canelo on one hand says he's willing to fight at 160, but on the other hand says he "would fight at 160", "but my team has to make the decision" which obviously hints/implies they are still going to demand a catch weight. We have a ways to go and I'm sure everyone is super excited about this fight happening so all we can do now is it back and see what happens and hope that GB/Canelo come through on their end of the deal.

[OnePunch]

Nuanced? When exactly was Ward ready to fight? Mayweather and Froch were always going to be big draws and big $ fights even coming out of retirement. And very likely worth taking a detour for. It's common sense. Ward, however, hasn't done anything significant in the ring in years. Still really hasn't. K2 and HBO were ready to make the fight and they all agreed it needed time to build it up. All they've consistently asked of Ward was to get busy, rebuild your brand, and then we can talk. It's been stated clearly and consistently for the past 2 years. Whether you like the way it comes out of Abel's mouth, Tom's mouth or GGG's doesn't matter. It's all been the same thing. Ward had plenty of time to make the fight happen, but he didn't do squat. Sending a lousy offer to GGG then running to the press with it while calling Golovkin names made the move seem more like a publicity stunt rather than a true intent to pursue the fight. No sane person in GGG's position would've signed that contract. End of story. If you would've, tell me why....

The real nuances come from all the critics who prefer to read body language, put words in people's mouths or thoughts in their heads all while ignoring the changing landscape of GGG's career path to suit their own biased agenda.

good luck getting an answer to that question. Im guessing *crickets is all you will hear......lol

[OnePunch]

Like I said. When it comes to everyone else things are straight forward. When it comes to Ward everything is nuanced......

it isnt "nuanced", its called CONTEXT and TIMELINE. People around here want to take statements made back in 2012 and 2013 and think the exact same circumstances are in place today.

Hint: They aren't