Is K2 incapable of making big fights?

[Vasyl’s dad]

K2 is use to being the "promoter of the heavyweight champions", and don't seem to grasp the concept of being dictated to.

Any other promotional outfit, with a fighter like Golovkin being in the situation that he is, would've jumped all over the Ward offer (if they believed in their guy, they would've had their debut PPV with Lemieux and immediately have followed that up with a follow-up PPV event, this time with the weight of HBO behind the effort).

Rather than take the deal, they fought Lemieux, and then left Golovkin in the lurch, openly laying out terms on a fight where they don't have the leverage to lay out any terms for (not only are the fighting the weight that Canelo wants for the fight, they haven't even publicly gone into any negotiation over the split on the fight; folks laughed it off, but somewhere between 90/10 Alvarez and 85/15 Alvarez is likely all Oscar has been authorized by Alvarez to offer up for the fight).

Golovkin's going to be handed his third belt, HBO will try to market Golovkin as this three-belt champion, and the audience won't give a ****.

You always say belts dont matter though.

[JJRod]

can you spend a day without making a GGG thread?

They can't. It's sad really.

[HeroBando]

That's a damn good point and I've never thought of that. Like I said, Vitali and Wlad have always had big fights but GGG and Gonzalez aren't getting big fights.

That's a dumb point from a dumb poster. Team GGG is among the most accommodating in boxing. UK for Froch, Saunders, fine. Texas for Canelo, Chavez, no problem. 40% purse for Macklin, Stevens, Geale, Lemieux, 70%+ for Chavez...

It's really not that complicated. The Klitschko's had all the belts at HW, and brought all the money. GGG is getting there, against all odds

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

The politics of the sport have ruined the sport.

Not only that but its this entire entitlement era of boxing, even think they deserves this adn that and wont take a short to make **** happen for themselves they freaking honestly think they should get a fair shake 100% of the way to stardom, sorry but thats not how it works look at GGG he could have conceded to so many fighters demand and already had huge names under his belt and be in the position to call shots but he isnt cause he isnt willing to take that brief short to come up.

[boliodogs]

Oscar and team Canelo want no part of GGG for the next few years. I think that's obvious to any clear eyed observer. No promoter is going to be able to get GGG the Canelo fight. Fans might just as well forget about that fight because it ain't happening. Saunders vs GGG or Jacobs vs GGG are both fights that have at least some chance of happening.

[K-Nan]

Oscar and team Canelo want no part of GGG for the next few years. I think that's obvious to any clear eyed observer. No promoter is going to be able to get GGG the Canelo fight. Fans might just as well forget about that fight because it ain't happening. Saunders vs GGG or Jacobs vs GGG are both fights that have at least some chance of happening.

This.

Lets be real. "Marinate" is a fancy way of GBP saying that they'd like to cash out on a few more fights before giving Canelo up to the wolves in a GGG superfight. Canelo is undoubtedly a HUGE draw right now, and it makes perfect business sense to maximize profit on their star before putting him in with a executioner like GGG.

[HeroBando]

This.

Lets be real. "Marinate" is a fancy way of GBP saying that they'd like to cash out on a few more fights before giving Canelo up to the wolves in a GGG superfight. Canelo is undoubtedly a HUGE draw right now, and it makes perfect business sense to maximize profit on their star before putting him in with a executioner like GGG.

Of course, Oscar would be an irresponsible promoter if he made that fight soon. But Canelo can't be parading that belt around. Give GGG his belt

[K-Nan]

Of course, Oscar would be an irresponsible promoter if he made that fight soon. But Canelo can't be parading that belt around. Give GGG his belt

He needs it to add that shine to his PPV promotions.. "World Middleweight Champion" adds to the draw.

I agree that its pretty shameful to hold a belt hostage, but I'm betting that its not Canelo's call.

[HeroBando]

He needs it to add that shine to his PPV promotions.. "World Middleweight Champion" adds to the draw.

I agree that its pretty shameful to hold a belt hostage, but I'm betting that its not Canelo's call.

he does but for once, tough luck Canelo

[Scipio2009]

You always say belts dont matter though.

Belts largely don't; they're simply used as gauges for, otherwise showing, the hierarchy of who the best fighter is:

-Wladimir Klitschko was the heavyweight king; even though Deontay's Wilder claim to his WBC championship is legitamate, to truly be seen as "the heavyweight champion of the world", he's going to have to knock off Tyson Fury, the man who toppled the heavyweight king. Anthony Joshua, as IBF champion, is a great marketing ploy, but he's gonna have to see Fury too.

-Adonis Stevenson is the light heavyweight king, regardless of how much folks here hate to acknowledge it. Roy was the returning king, who was beat by Antonio Tarver, who got beat by Bernard Hopkins(Tarver was also beat by Chad Dawson), who got beat by Chad Dawson(and also loss a fight to the retiring Joe Calzhaghe), who beat by Adonis Stevenson(and also lost a catchweight fight to Ward). Kovalev can have the belts, but the lineage is the lineage.

-a similar path can be laid out at 160; Hopkins was undisputed king, who got beat by Jermain Taylor, who got beat by Kelly Pavlik, who got beat by Sergio Martinez(though Pavlik did lose a catchweight fight to Hopkins), who got beat by Miguel Cotto before retiring, who got beat by Alvarez, making Alvarez king.

-Floyd, once he picked up all of the belts after beating Baldomir and Judah, was the long-reining king of 147 (and arguably king at 154). Floyd retiring as king led to a massive free-for-all to determine the new king (the WBO's handling of their 147 title had basically left them out of the loop); Kell Brook(IBF), Keith Thurman(WBA), and Danny Garcia(WBC; though his claim is lesser than the other two, finalizing whatever mandatory obligations for his belt should make his claim valid) need to see each other at some point.

-The cruiserweights, after a long stretch of the four champions generally being seperate, are now moving towards consolidation to determine a single king.

There are other examples, but the belts are only really worth anything in weight classes where the hierarchy is unclear.