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    #51
    Originally posted by juggernaut666
    you answered your own post since the fury fight with Aj isn't possible until down the road... I still wouldn't favor fury's skills over him, its a stylistic nightmare for him no matter how much experience Fury has. I don't see how going 7 rounds with Whyte has anything to do with an improving Joshua by the time they fight .I can reference several fury fights that suggest AJ wipes him out.It means little as Fury is himself a much improved fighter than when he fought Cunningham .
    Make no mistake, if they face now like Hearn says they are planning for a fight around Sep/Nov of this year, then Fury gets the W.
    AJ is untested yet imo & still needs to fight tougher guys to bring out more out of him.. He needs guys who can take him to deep waters & bring out the best of him.. I'm an AJ fan but like Wlad said in his interview with Froch (before the Fury fight), AJ needs more experience before he becomes a potential contender to face Wlad & indirectly Fury too because he beat Wlad..

    Can AJ handle lateral movement, can AJ keep his power & stamina for 12 rounds, Can he come back from behind the points(without knocking down), can he pull himself from a knock down & come back & finish a fight.. Once he ticks all these checkboxes we can know he is here to stay & rule..

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      #52
      Originally posted by BoxingFan85
      Make no mistake, if they face now like Hearn says they are planning for a fight around Sep/Nov of this year, then Fury gets the W.
      AJ is untested yet imo & still needs to fight tougher guys to bring out more out of him.. He needs guys who can take him to deep waters & bring out the best of him.. I'm an AJ fan but like Wlad said in his interview with Froch (before the Fury fight), AJ needs more experience before he becomes a potential contender to face Wlad & indirectly Fury too because he beat Wlad..

      Can AJ handle lateral movement, can AJ keep his power & stamina for 12 rounds, Can he come back from behind the points(without knocking down), can he pull himself from a knock down & come back & finish a fight.. Once he ticks all these checkboxes we can know he is here to stay & rule..
      Fury would have no answer for AJ so I don't see a mistake at all. the real reason why john fury wants the fight as soon as possible is to fight a green AJ we all know this.It still doesn't change my pics..Wlad over fury which derails the match anyway,we will see. the only guy with the attributes to beat a AJ is Wlad himself ,that's if he gets by fury,which he should. I highly doubt Wlad would pick Fury over AJ,since he thinks AJ will beat everyone not named himself. AJdoesnt have to worry about power from Fury,its one of the esasiset fights for him if you know what you are looking at. Even Breazeale would be a top guy for Tysons resume so its blown out of proportion that Fury is all of a sudden some unstoppable juggernaut,until the rematrch we cant accsess Fury himself really. My eyes don't lie, i know what I see in AJ.

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      • nubianpiye
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        #53
        Originally posted by juggernaut666
        Fury would have no answer for AJ so I don't see a mistake at all. the real reason why john fury wants the fight as soon as possible is to fight a green AJ we all know this.It still doesn't change my pics..Wlad over fury which derails the match anyway,we will see. the only guy with the attributes to beat a AJ is Wlad himself ,that's if he gets by fury,which he should. I highly doubt Wlad would pick Fury over AJ,since he thinks AJ will beat everyone not named himself. AJdoesnt have to worry about power from Fury,its one of the esasiset fights for him if you know what you are looking at. Even Breazeale would be a top guy for Tysons resume so its blown out of proportion that Fury is all of a sudden some unstoppable juggernaut,until the rematrch we cant accsess Fury himself really. My eyes don't lie, i know what I see in AJ.
        I can't agree with anything you say! Aj doesn't have to worry about Fury's power? he's got 18 KO out of 25 fights that's substantial and above average. He's 6'9 tall and weighs over 20 stone if you don't realise man of that size can hurt anyone I don't know what to say.

        Also Fury is great at boxing tall and keeping people at a distance if he's so bad how was he able to beat and neutralise Wlad?

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          #54
          Originally posted by nubianpiye
          I can't agree with anything you say! Aj doesn't have to worry about Fury's power? he's got 18 KO out of 25 fights that's substantial and above average. He's 6'9 tall and weighs over 20 stone if you don't realise man of that size can hurt anyone I don't know what to say.

          Also Fury is great at boxing tall and keeping people at a distance if he's so bad how was he able to beat and neutralise Wlad?
          He's a casual who DKSAB, completely suckered in by the AJ/Matchroom/Hearn/Sky hype. Just point and laugh.

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            #55
            We should hopefully get a clearer picture of this within the next couple years.

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              #56
              Originally posted by nubianpiye
              I can't agree with anything you say! Aj doesn't have to worry about Fury's power? he's got 18 KO out of 25 fights that's substantial and above average. He's 6'9 tall and weighs over 20 stone if you don't realise man of that size can hurt anyone I don't know what to say.

              Also Fury is great at boxing tall and keeping people at a distance if he's so bad how was he able to beat and neutralise Wlad?
              Fury is not a power one shot guy ..no...and if you think that well your wrong.The second phrase you posted has nothing to do with how well he would do to a an inside AJ pummeling that would happen to Fury. I never said anything how good or bad Fury was ,thsats the difference between being a fanboy and being a realist to dissect match ups.Dont hold your breath on a fury win in july either.
              Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-27-2016, 11:20 AM.

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                #57
                Originally posted by juggernaut666
                Fury is not a power one shot guy ..no...and if you think that well your wrong.The second phrase you posted has nothing to do with how well he would do to a an inside AJ pummeling that would happen to Fury. I never said anything how good or bad Fury was ,thsats the difference between being a fanboy and being a realist to dissect match ups.Dont hold your breath on a fury win in july either.
                I know he isn't but he can hurt and stop people, plus he's skilled. I'm not a fanboy and thought he'd win before today's press conference but he was so fat I think he'll be stopped now.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by nubianpiye
                  I know he isn't but he can hurt and stop people, plus he's skilled. I'm not a fanboy and thought he'd win before today's press conference but he was so fat I think he'll be stopped now.
                  Hes not fat, its all a gimmick..the guys 6'9 and can shed 30 pounds easily just by walking to moderate exercise along with diet...he'll come in at the right weight and will have no excuse if he loses .If hes going to lose hes already showed his hand making excuses that hes unmotivated, which again is all smoke and mirrors. I think he knows hes getting the real Wlad this time and don't believe hes as confident. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day Wlad is the better skilled guy still on paper. If Wlad doesn't respect your power he has less to worry about tand will take chances so that's where its at.

                  As far as Aj well you can disagree all you like not one thing I said isn't true. You are mistaking k.o percentages for a power puncher based on he stopped many guys ....its HOW he stopped them.
                  Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-27-2016, 03:40 PM.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by denium
                    He's a casual who DKSAB, completely suckered in by the AJ/Matchroom/Hearn/Sky hype. Just point and laugh.
                    That's pretty funny and ironic considering that's what I do when I read about 90% of your posts!

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by juggernaut666
                      Hes not fat, its all a gimmick..the guys 6'9 and can shed 30 pounds easily just by walking to moderate exercise along with diet...he'll come in at the right weight and will have no excuse if he loses .If hes going to lose hes already showed his hand making excuses that hes unmotivated, which again is all smoke and mirrors. I think he knows hes getting the real Wlad this time and don't believe hes as confident. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day Wlad is the better skilled guy still on paper. If Wlad doesn't respect your power he has less to worry about tand will take chances so that's where its at.

                      As far as Aj well you can disagree all you like not one thing I said isn't true. You are mistaking k.o percentages for a power puncher based on he stopped many guys ....its HOW he stopped them.
                      No I'm not mistaking anything your punching power is based upon knockout percentages and Fury is able average in this regard. Fury outboxed Wlad easily in the first fight Wlad isn't superior at anything. And to say that Fury isn't fat is a joke he looked like a pregnant pear at the press conference and even 30 pounds can't save him! Fury's whole tactic always revolves around using his amazing height advantage fats hands and feet he demonstrates a lot of lateral movement that makes him very hard to hit. how will he manage that being as fat as he is?

                      Son't act like a number of factors don't impact the fight in the ring. Corales beat Castillo in fight one in the rematch Castillo came in over weight and stopped him factors such as fitness, weight and wear and tear have an impact on the fight hence the whole concept of someone being shot.

                      Tyson will probably lose by stoppage now due to being so far out of shape he's still a skilled fighter when he'd on it.

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