Is Kell Brook a paper champion?

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  • Box-Office
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    Is Kell Brook a paper champion?

    Is there an excuse for not willing to fight someone with a pulse outside of Amir Khan? The King of mandatories has been champion for over a year and half and his three fights stand at: Dan, Gavin and Bizier.


    1) Dan is excusable cuz he is again a mandatory, first defense and he was coming off surviving that attack in Tenerife.


    2) Gavin was his voluntary defense. So, of all the talent pool at WW available to a World Champion, Frankie Gavin was his voluntary defense.


    3) Bizier, so apparently Brook was injured sparring for Chaves so he couldnt fight him in 2015, so the next best thing would be to post pone it instead they outright cancelled it. This is after getting Chaves to pull out of a final eliminator vs Bizier and offer him a direct voluntary shot at Kell's title, Chaves was royally shafted.


    The plan was to get the mandatory out of the way and beg Khan for that big payday they have been for last 6 yrs. So, while Bizier was a mandatory they could've went through with Chaves and it wouldn't look so horrendous as this.


    Edit: He won the belt against an elite fighter in Shawn Porter, but that was almost 2 yrs ago. Now does that mean he can continue to defend it against the Gavins of the World for years to come, does it still mean he is a true champion cuz the guy he beat was legit?
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    Last edited by Box-Office; 04-22-2016, 05:25 PM.
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    #2
    He won his title with a great performance vs Porter, in a clean win, but the standard of opposition of his defenses has been Wilder-level.

    The guys he's been fighting would make Primo Carnera blush.

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    • Larry the boss
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      #3
      No, he beat a champion for his title

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      • gauze
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        #4
        if you ain't the man in your division, you're a paper champ. on paper, you are a champion, but there can only be one "best".

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        • Larry the boss
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          #5
          Originally posted by gauze
          if you ain't the man in your division, you're a paper champ. on paper, you are a champion, but there can only be one "best".
          ^^^^This is true aswell

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            #6
            Originally posted by larryxxx...
            No, he beat a champion for his title
            Yeah so he can defend against 5 more Frankie Gavins does that still make him a true champ? Winning and defending are two sides of the equation of being a champion.

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              Originally posted by Box-Office
              Yeah so he can defend against 5 more Frankie Gavins does that still make him a true champ? Winning and defending are two sides of the equation of being a champion.
              His title defenses have been ****..but the man did beat a champion for his title...

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              • soul_survivor
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                With Mayweather and then Pacquiao's retirements (however temporary they may be) and the uncertainty surrounding Bradley's next move, then no, Brook is no paper champ. Not anymore.

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                • gmc_rfc_06
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                  He beat a very highly rated world champion away from home to win his title.

                  A paper champ as an interim or vacant title.

                  As of now he has had one voluntary defence, the other two were mandatory.

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                  • Redd Foxx
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                    I wouldn't call that paper, since he legitimately won that belt. What this is, is "kidnapping" the belt. Getting a title and then doing every bllshyt thing possible to hold onto it without fighting the best in your division.

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