Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Until Canelo Decides, It's Hard To Speculate

[Chuckguy]

History lesson:

September 19, 2004:

LAS VEGAS, Sept. 18 - It ended in a flash, an agonizing instant that Oscar De La Hoya will remember for the rest of his life.

Bernard Hopkins (45-2-1) crushed him with a paralyzing left hook to his liver, sending him to the mat with 1 minute 38 seconds left in the ninth round of their middleweight championship fight Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena. De La Hoya crumpled as if in slow motion to his knees, his head resting on the mat, his breath suddenly gone, and he was counted out by the referee Kenny Bayless. For De La Hoya, it was the first time he had been knocked out in a celebrated 12-year pro career...

As Hopkins, 39, celebrated with a somersault and a leap onto the ropes, De La Hoya pounded the mat in frustration, knowing that he had lost the fight that he said would define his career...

The victory doubtless gave Hopkins the respect he believed the boxing establishment denied him despite 18 successful defenses of his middleweight titles...

The two men came into the fight looking trim and cut. De La Hoya weighed in at a trim 155, Hopkins a pound heavier, his lightest in 10 years. He said that he improved his speed, but kept his power.

Although De La Hoya was the challenger for Hopkins's three titles, De La Hoya held the leverage in negotiations for the bout. De La Hoya is guaranteed $25 million and Hopkins $9 million. If the pay-per-view purchases are above 1.5 million, De La Hoya could get $35 million, and Hopkins could nearly double his take, Arum said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/sp...hoya.html?_r=0

This is what champions do! They take titles, not wait until it's handed to them! GGG will suffer if he does not fight Canelo in 2016! There's not a lot out there for him. Canelo has all the time in the world!

I agree with you bro. GGG has to meet all the dirty gingers demands and beat his azz! Leave no doubt

[Bronx2245]

I agree with you bro. GGG has to meet all the dirty gingers demands and beat his azz! Leave no doubt

That's "wassup!" I try to remind these cats that B-Hop already did this! He came in @ 156 at age 39 and broke Oscar to the mat! That's "gangsta!" Floyd bought out his contract with TR, and went up to 154, and fought Oscar De La Hoya, a.k.a. The Golden Boy, on Cinco de Mayo Weekend...in Vegas!! Going to 155 to fight "Ginger" shouldn't even be a hard choice. If you can go to 154 for Floyd for 8 million plus PPVs, then why not Canelo @155 for 5 million plus PPVs? They're both young enough for a triliogy! If people can pay to see Pacquiao vs. Bradley 3 times, I know they would pay to see GGG vs. Canelo at least twice!

[aboutfkntime]

He ain't a great champion if he is refusing to fight his mandatory at the contracted weight of a middlweight....that's 160lbs down to 154.1lbs just in case you don't know mong

Tard-boy, he was talking about Hypekin, not Canelo

And BTW, what kind of " great champion " would prefer that his opponent is stripped rather than fight him?

[Chollo Vista]

I agree with you bro. GGG has to meet all the dirty gingers demands and beat his azz! Leave no doubt

This right here

Good ass post!!

[Chollo Vista]

Canelo is naturally bigger than Golovkin. He enters the ring at 175+ after cutting to 155. Golovkin comes in at 169/170 after weighing in at 160.
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Because God forbid GGG had to take one risk and is placed at one disadvantage leading into the fight

I thank God Mayweather, Pac, Hopkins, Canelo, RJJ, Hagler, Duran and Jose Napoles were never placed at one disadvantage entering a fight

[Triple Genius]

If GGG is so overrated, why does Canelo need any advantage?

[aboutfkntime]

GGG/Canelo cannot be compared to BHop/Oscar.

There are several important differences between the 2 situations.

1) The catchweight BHop agreed to was 158lbs. Canelo is trying to drag GGG down to 155.

Stop being a little weasel kid, Golovkin totally refused to negotiate.


Refused :

refuse
rɪˈfjuːz/
verb
past tense: refused; past participle: refused
(of a thing) fail to perform a required action.
"the car refused to start"

2) Oscar was a SWW fighting above his natural weight. BHop knew that he would be entering the ring significantly bigger and stronger than Dela Hoya, even after making 158. Canelo is naturally bigger than Golovkin. He enters the ring at 175+ after cutting to 155. Golovkin comes in at 169/170 after weighing in at 160.

Stop being a little weasel kid..... 160 > 155.

Fight-night weight is completely irrelevant, the total amount of functional muscle-mass and conditioning that you can take into a fight is solely determined at the official weigh-in.

The " JMW is bigger than MW " argument, is ******ed.

3) BHop wanted to unify the MW division. He would never have gotten Oscar into the ring to defend the WBO title without accepting a catchweight. Golovkin is the WBC interim champion and Canelo's mandatory challenger. That means he doesn't need to accept any conditions except those laid down by the WBC in order to either fight Canelo or be promoted to reigning champion if Canelo won't play ball.

Stop being a little weasel kid..... the situation is EXACTLY the same.

Hopkins did what he had to do in order to make a big fight.

4) Canelo isn't getting any younger or lighter. If he won't fight GGG as champion, he's going to have to come back and fight him as a challenger sooner or later.

Neither is lil'G. He wouldn't fight Ward, and there is nobody else.

Golovkin will be known as Sven Ottke 2.0

[aboutfkntime]

others .....call me a **** and a white supremacist

[aboutfkntime]

155 is like the only narrative going on here and people are fixated on it. It's a big leverage point for Golovkin/Loeffler to get a favorable split in negotiations.

Nope !

The WBC ordered the Cotto/Canelo winner to fight Golovkin. The fight did not happen, because Golovkin totally refused to negotiate on the weight.

Now the real topic people don't want discuss is the fact that even if Canelo wants to fight Golovkin it comes down to Oscar allowing it to happen and whether he could afford it if his fighter went in there and got stopped in brutal fashion. Can Oscar really keep GBP afloat if he has to go into a rebuilding phase with Canelo's career?

Nah, I don't believe that for 1 second.

Why do you guys always try to find the cheap way out ?

1) Canelo is not Manny "yes, Sir" Pacquiao

2) Hoya was bitterly opposed to Canelo/Lara, Canelo told him to kick rocks.


When you said..... " Now the real topic people don't want discuss is "..... it appears that you totally changed the subject to something that was completely irrelevant.

Because " the REAL topic people don't want discuss is ".....

.... if Team Bull**** really think that they can beat Canelo at 155..... like they have been saying for the last 3 years..... then why don't they just fight him and stop all the rubbish?

[aboutfkntime]

I have never, EVER, referred to the race of a member here except in response to people assuming I am white and accusing me of being racially biased in my comments.

This happens every time I say anything in any thread involving GGG and Ward.

Did I mention the race of anybody who is criticising GGG in this thread, for instance?

Nobody was talking about race until you jumped in with it, as ****ing usual.

Guys, to be fair to this little weasel.....

..... I have searched his post-history extensively, and never found anything racist, or even close.

Posters are most likely taking the opportunity to be a little dishonest, and to run with anything they can..... just like he does

The racist people are much more blatant, they can't help it.