Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Until Canelo Decides, It's Hard To Speculate

[Shadoww702]

Most of it is fair criticism, not hate. The rationale for it is the paucity of his resume.

We've discussed this before. I agree with you it's not his fault people ducked him. That said, it is his fault for the choices he makes once he is ducked. That is what almost all of the criticism he gets is about.

This is the other point where you are extremely disingenuous. Its not just about Ward. It's about his willingness to fight money fights at 168 yet claim his goal is "unification" when the more difficult 168 fights are discussed. It is very fair to criticize him and his camp for this.

The bottom line is you, kafkod and some others continually try and paint any criticism GGG gets as purely race based when it isn't. Its not just "floyd fans" or any other PC way of labeling black fans, or just "canelo" or "cotto" fans.

GGG gets criticism from across the spectrum of NSB. Not all of it is fair, no, but no fighter gets only "fair" criticism on NSB. that doesn't make all of it racial, biased or unfair.

Most will also tell you they KNOW GGG has talent. And personally like him. In this order is what they don't like.

1. His Hypocrite OBNOXIUS Fans.
2. His media ho trainer who NEVER STFU and says all this sht that GGG eventually has to back track from or backup. 154-168 comments like that.
3. Cheap as Fk Tom Loeffler and his BS lies. "We offered Saunders LIFE Changing Money" That wasn't even CLOSE to what he said was offered.

At first I though Saunders ducked the fight until I saw what he was REALLY offered.

[kafkod]

Brother you just went on & on about how good GGG's business side of things are & now like f#ck that noise when I mentioned Canelo's & saying they were better lol.

But who's saying GGG needs it badly. I'm just saying he needs it badder than Canelo does. I'm saying Canelo is bigger financially for the parties involved. I'm saying Canelo brings more fans. I'm saying Canelo's decision & what he says after it will be the narrative of choice. Canelo is driving the car, but sure GGG can make millions fighting whatever opponents for years to come...Canelo will just make more millions for more years. Everything to do with this situation Canelo has the superior position except with the WBC title stuff (if the WBC even follows thru with that), but that isn't gonna be enough for GGG to score some sorta W over Canelo with fans if this fight doesn't happen which was the original point.

I think that if Canelo is stripped of the WBC title for refusing to fight Golovkin it will be bad for his image and have a negative affect on his popularity, while GGG's profile and fan base will continue to grow, due to him picking up yet another world title by default because the champ was too scared to fight him.

What's Canelo going to do when he has no 155 title to defend any more? How are Oscar and Reynoso going to spin that one for the Mexican fans?

Imo, the only way Canelo can stop GGG taking his place as "the new face of boxing" is for him to take a gamble, fight Golovkin at 160, and see if the extra pop and strength he would gain from doing that would be enough for him to beat GGG fair and square, at the sanctioned MW title limit.

[The Big Dunn]

Most will also tell you they KNOW GGG has talent. And personally like him. In this order is what they don't like.

1. His Hypocrite OBNOXIUS Fans.
2. His media ho trainer who NEVER STFU and says all this sht that GGG eventually has to back track from or backup. 154-168 comments like that.
3. Cheap as Fk Tom Loeffler and his BS lies. "We offered Saunders LIFE Changing Money" That wasn't even CLOSE to what he said was offered.

At first I though Saunders ducked the fight until I saw what he was REALLY offered.

Most people criticize his resume while acknowledging his skill and talent. Yes, you have some trolls that degrade him unfairly, but its not as much as his fans suggest.

Most posters just want to see him in with someone that will make him use all his skills. Yes, he may lose that fight. If he does, so what? His fans will still be his fans. The only thing that changes is having to come to grips with the fact he wasn't as good as HBO marketed him.

That happens from time to time in boxing.

[OnePunch]

Most people criticize his resume while acknowledging his skill and talent. Yes, you have some trolls that degrade him unfairly, but its not as much as his fans suggest.

Most posters just want to see him in with someone that will make him use all his skills. Yes, he may lose that fight. If he does, so what? His fans will still be his fans. The only thing that changes is having to come to grips with the fact he wasn't as good as HBO marketed him.

That happens from time to time in boxing.

You can include me in that catagory as well. But I choose not to call him a fraud or a ducker simply because certain fights cant get made. And I also can tell just by watching him that he is a special fighter, the kind that dont come around too often......

[Eff Pandas]

I think that if Canelo is stripped of the WBC title for refusing to fight Golovkin it will be bad for his image and have a negative affect on his popularity, while GGG's profile and fan base will continue to grow, due to him picking up yet another world title by default because the champ was too scared to fight him.

I agree. Canelo isn't likely to enhance his status if the WBC strips him. I still think they could pull something outta there ass that leads to him keeping that title or I wouldn't put it past them to invite some new title for Canelo as f#cked up as that might sound. And yea for GGG it'll help boost him. It'll all be a slow burn doe. Nothing drastic is gonna change & whatever Canelo & Oscar come up with for why they didn't fight GGG if they don't will be the most widely accepted story which will help him keep his trajectory overall not be affected THAT much.

What's Canelo going to do when he has no 155 title to defend any more? How are Oscar and Reynoso going to spin that one for the Mexican fans?

Thats what I'm curious to see. I'm sure there will be a spin that gets spun doe.

Imo, the only way Canelo can stop GGG taking his place as "the new face of boxing" is for him to take a gamble, fight Golovkin at 160, and see if the extra pop and strength he would gain from doing that would be enough for him to beat GGG fair and square, at the sanctioned MW title limit.

I think Canelo is already destined to be the new face of boxing for the foreseeable future regardless of anything that does or doesn't happen vs GGG. I mean he can always lose & if GGG does blast him out of there if they do fight that could have negative effects on Canelo's chances. But I think Canelo is so far in front in the race to be the new face of boxing he's gonna have to f#ck up major to not be it for awhile. I don't see GGG becoming it even if he beats Canelo. Ward has never gotten fans behind him. Crawford is only BIG popular in Omaha. Spence is still too young. I'm not sure who'd be the top 5 list of potential faces of boxing outside of Canelo with much confidence.

[The Big Dunn]

You can include me in that catagory as well. But I choose not to call him a fraud or a ducker simply because certain fights cant get made. And I also can tell just by watching him that he is a special fighter, the kind that dont come around too often......

I don't know if he is special. he is very talented and skilled. That said, he has never fought anyone that is less than a huge underdog. It's hard to call a 34 yr old that hasn't defeated anything other than 8-1 underdogs special. If he were 24 with this resume then you would have a much better argument.

If he retired right now, would you put vote for him to go in the HOF?

[HanzGruber]

"GGG fight will happen, down the line, one day".. canelo and his team have already decided

[OnePunch]

I don't know if he is special. he is very talented and skilled. That said, he has never fought anyone that is less than a huge underdog. It's hard to call a 34 yr old that hasn't defeated anything other than 8-1 underdogs special. If he were 24 with this resume then you would have a much better argument.

If he retired right now, would you put vote for him to go in the HOF?

it would be tough, but I would have to say no. Although I do think he is an "all-time" talent, he has not had the opportunity to show it just yet. And while "P4P" lists are based on talent first and resume second, the HOF in my opinion is strictly resume, and on that note at the moment GGG isnt there yet........

[Shadoww702]

I think that if Canelo is stripped of the WBC title for refusing to fight Golovkin it will be bad for his image and have a negative affect on his popularity, while GGG's profile and fan base will continue to grow, due to him picking up yet another world title by default because the champ was too scared to fight him.

What's Canelo going to do when he has no 155 title to defend any more? How are Oscar and Reynoso going to spin that one for the Mexican fans?

Imo, the only way Canelo can stop GGG taking his place as "the new face of boxing" is for him to take a gamble, fight Golovkin at 160, and see if the extra pop and strength he would gain from doing that would be enough for him to beat GGG fair and square, at the sanctioned MW title limit.

It depends??? If GGG asks for 50/50 split the fight ain't happening and MOST fans will blame GGG. Or what if Canelo say OK take a bigger piece of the pie and let's meet in the middle at 157.5 and GGG flat out refuses to come down from 160?? I'm gonna blame BOTH equally then.

But Canelo has WAY more options then GGG does.

Canelo can repair part of his reputation fighting Thurman/Porter, Andrade, Charlo Bros. Kell Brook. All good PPV fights.


Who will GGG have???

The NEW WBC mandatory Jorge Heiland.

WBA Alfonso Blanco (Because I don't think Loeffler will pay Jacobs).

WBO Arif Magomedov (Because we all know he lied about Saunders money)

IBF Gran Turino

None of those fight are worthy of PPV.

[kafkod]

I agree. Canelo isn't likely to enhance his status if the WBC strips him. I still think they could pull something outta there ass that leads to him keeping that title or I wouldn't put it past them to invite some new title for Canelo as f#cked up as that might sound. And yea for GGG it'll help boost him. It'll all be a slow burn doe. Nothing drastic is gonna change & whatever Canelo & Oscar come up with for why they didn't fight GGG if they don't will be the most widely accepted story which will help him keep his trajectory overall not be affected THAT much.



Thats what I'm curious to see. I'm sure there will be a spin that gets spun doe.



I think Canelo is already destined to be the new face of boxing for the foreseeable future regardless of anything that does or doesn't happen vs GGG. I mean he can always lose & if GGG does blast him out of there if they do fight that could have negative effects on Canelo's chances. But I think Canelo is so far in front in the race to be the new face of boxing he's gonna have to f#ck up major to not be it for awhile. I don't see GGG becoming it even if he beats Canelo. Ward has never gotten fans behind him. Crawford is only BIG popular in Omaha. Spence is still too young. I'm not sure who'd be the top 5 list of potential faces of boxing outside of Canelo with much confidence.

Imo you are overestimating Canelo's drawing power because of the big figures for his last fight. Against an opponent with kind of US profile Lemieux had, and a heavy underdog too, Canelo wouldn't be selling 90k PPVs on HBO PPV!

And he wouldn't be in any world title fights either, remember. Not for a few years at least.