roach: "mayweathers unbelievable jab dictated the fight"

[Larry the boss]

as we should since nothing will ever change the fact that pac landed the much cleaner punches and yet still lost a boxing match. in the future people won't have such an emotional attachment to floyd and will see it for what it was. they won't be mesmerized by style over substance. they won't say silly things like floyd dictated the fight with an ineffective jab while the other guy landed flush shots.

He literally landed like 4 clean punches..show me all these clean punches you keep talking about because all i see are the same 2 highlights over and over again

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

So what ! he had the best view in the house and he believes Floyd won and said why lol .

Doesn't change the fact that he only watched it once unlike the numerous other people who can see the BS that was going and know who the real winner was (Pacquiao).

I cant believe the feeble arguments you Manny fans put up once again you prove how empty you guys are when it comes to proof you argue opinions of people that dont matter in the slightest and reject the most important opinions of all , its madness !

So your "proof" comes from other people's opinions that happens to fit your bias and not from the fight itself?

Shows how desperate you Pacquiao haters are.

But I'm curious; since Roach also said that Pacquiao couldn't use his arm after the 4th round, do you now believe that his injury wasn't fake?

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Doesn't change the fact that he only watched it once unlike the numerous other people who can see the BS that was going and know who the real winner was (Pacquiao).



So your "proof" comes from other people's opinions that happens to fit your bias and not from the fight itself?

Shows how desperate you Pacquiao haters are.

But I'm curious; since Roach also said that Pacquiao couldn't use his arm after the 4th round, do you now believe that his injury wasn't fake?

Opinions have a ranking order , Im accepting the opinions of the highest you accept the opinions of the lowest .

[Combat Talk Radio]

Doesn't change the fact that he only watched it once unlike the numerous other people who can see the BS that was going and know who the real winner was (Pacquiao).

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Roach was IN THE CORNER.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Opinions have a ranking order , Im accepting the opinions of the highest you accept the opinions of the lowest .

...What kind of bullcrap is that?

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Roach was IN THE CORNER.

And Pacquiao was IN THE FIGHT.

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And Pacquiao was IN THE FIGHT.

And off course he wouldnt be bias would he , your defense is a fken joke !

[Combat Talk Radio]

And Pacquiao was IN THE FIGHT.

Luis Resto was "in the fight" against Billy Collins. Did you believe Resto when he originally said he didn't know about any plaster?

Because he lied. He admitted he lied.

Antonio Margarito was "in the fight" against Cotto. Did you believe Margarito when he originally said he knew nothing about any plaster?

Because he lied. He was proven out as a liar.

Aaron Pryor was "in the fight" against Alexis Arguello. Did you believe Pryor when he originally said the black bottle just had water in it?

Because he lied. He admitted he lied.


Fighters will lie to save face, believe it or not. Trainers also lie. But Roach has nothing to gain by saying that Manny showed no evidence of an injury before a fight.

The bottom line is, the only person who knows the truth...is Manny Pacquiao. And I believe he was hurt - DURING the fight - MISSING punches. And he got embarrassed, and made up an excuse.

[SweetPbfAli]

I am. I HATE ignorance. What Roach said isn't an opinion, it's ignorance and it's simply not true. If you know how to watch a fight, you know that Floyd's jab was totally neutralized like never before. Just because it's Roach, doesn't mean anything. Floyd Sr. told Floyd he was losing the fight. He told Floyd that he was fighting scared. Should we make a thread about that as well? I am one of the realist posters on here and I am fair. I call things like I see them, not how I "feel" about them. If I felt like Floyd's jab was so effective, I would say it. Manny just did the same thing to Bradley's jab, last Saturday. No?

Mayweather's jab controlled the fight because it allowed him to control range and dictate where the fight was fought. It's not ALL about actually landing it as the jab is a multipurpose tool when used correctly. The fact the Floyd's jab was that much of a factor versus a southpaw actually tells you all you need to know about Floyd's pedigree as a fighter. Most orthodox fighters completely abandon the jab versus a southpaw but Floyd fights almost backwards versus them by stepping his lead foot inside their lead foot which puts him at risk of being hit with a straight left but also sets up his jab and lines him up better for his straight right. He changed the way he fought southpaws after he came back from his first retirement. It's a risky game plan but he's at a level do get away with it.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Luis Resto was "in the fight" against Billy Collins. Did you believe Resto when he originally said he didn't know about any plaster?

Because he lied. He admitted he lied.

Antonio Margarito was "in the fight" against Cotto. Did you believe Margarito when he originally said he knew nothing about any plaster?

Because he lied. He was proven out as a liar.

Aaron Pryor was "in the fight" against Alexis Arguello. Did you believe Pryor when he originally said the black bottle just had water in it?

Because he lied. He admitted he lied.


Fighters will lie to save face, believe it or not. Trainers also lie. But Roach has nothing to gain by saying that Manny showed no evidence of an injury before a fight.

The bottom line is, the only person who knows the truth...is Manny Pacquiao. And I believe he was hurt - DURING the fight - MISSING punches. And he got embarrassed, and made up an excuse.

So you believe he was hurt...but then said he made up an excuse?

In addition to that, you're quick to believe that whatever Roach said is true (even though he's basing this on a fight he hadn't seen in almost a year) but already made up your mind that what Pacquiao said is a lie?

Plus, wasn't it already said that Pacquiao's arm didn't hurt again until Floyd pulled on it? So of course he didn't have problems with it at first. It wasn't until during the fight that he did.

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So you believe he was hurt...but then said he made up an excuse?

In addition to that, you're quick to believe that whatever Roach said is true (even though he's basing this on a fight he hadn't seen in almost a year) but already made up your mind that what Pacquiao said is a lie?

Plus, wasn't it already said that Pacquiao's arm didn't hurt again until Floyd pulled on it? So of course he didn't have problems with it at first. It wasn't until during the fight that he did.

He threw the same amount of punches in the Bradley fight .

He threw more right hands after the 4th than before it .

He raised his arms way above his head after the fight impossible with a torn rotator cuff .

He never mentioned the shoulder at all until after going back to the dressing room to conspire with Arum .

You have got to be so gullible to not see whats has gone on .