Comments Thread For: Like it or Not - Mayweather-Pacquiao II is Back on The Radar

[travestyny]

Aren't you going to counter my points?

No problem. It's clear you feel some kind of way about how these talks have gone. Left a bad taste in your mouth and you feel like less of a man for getting beat up on. Can't let it go. I understand, so I will waste my time responding to you yet again.

Before I begin, is it my imagination or did you edit something out about someone doing pull ups after this type of surgery? I thought I read that somewhere in your post, but I don't see it now. Just wondering...?

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Nevermind. I see it there. Will reply in a sec.

[SplitSecond]

No problem. It's clear you feel some kind of way about how these talks have gone. Left a bad taste in your mouth and you feel like less of a man for getting beat up on. Can't let it go. I understand, so I will waste my time responding to you yet again.

Before I begin, is it my imagination or did you edit something out about someone doing pull ups after this type of surgery? I thought I read that somewhere in your post, but I don't see it now. Just wondering...?

Actually, I had posted this initial reply before, but I deleted it(I'm sure you saw the deleted post in your quotes notification). But I was willing to let this go then, but I'm bored enough now, and it's sad seeing you spread around the same lies in other threads, so instead of interjecting there, I thought we'd continue.

And no, I didn't edit it out, try going back.

[SplitSecond]

hahahaha. You are back for more? Didn't I already kick your corpse around enough?

You are not going to talk your way out of this. There is a direct quotation from Pac saying that he didn't go to rehab and didn't see a doctor. You can't spin that.

There is a video of him playing basketball in no pain. He is swimming, not in a swimming pool, but in the sea.

Find me one doctor that said it's possible to recover from this surgery in 3 months. Just one.

I'll wait....

You lost, homie. Take your a$$whoopin like a man and STFU already.

Well, its been stated he was given prescribed exercises and that he was following them.

"Koncz says Pacquiao has been performing the prescribed shoulder exercises and swimming in the ocean frequently. Manny believes God has expedited the healing process, according to Koncz, and is expected to have a check-up with Dr. ElAttrache within one month."

As for his "no rehab" comment.

“But he has nothing to worry about (regarding) my injury. I’m doing the rehab myself. I’m recovering faster than expected.”

http://sports.inquirer.net/187365/pa...-in-self-rehab

So I don't know why you're acting like he lied for a fact(besides the fact that you're a compulsive liar yourself). Again, the timeline doesn't conflict. Saying he didn't see a doctor then, doesn't mean he didn't see a doctor later. His rehab was fiddling in the sea("I'm doing the rehab myself"), he followed the doctors prescribed exercises, sent video updates to ElAttrache(thus seeing no doctor) before a doctor being sent out and thus Roach's comments. So where's the fact that they lied and that this isn't true? You said it's a fact right?

Now, is there any one of your points left that I haven't shut down?

[travestyny]

First of all, you are scrambling and falling all over yourself to try to claw your way out of this hole you put yourself in. Case in point, when I mentioned that Manny was playing basketball after 3 months, yet it took Kobe 9 months after the same surgery before he could play basketball. Look at your response:

Kobe is Kobe and Pacquiao is Pacquiao. Different individuals, likely different tears and in different places, not to mention rehab, muscle health etc, too many variables. But they were obviously being very, very careful with Bryant.

Then, you say this:

Patty Mills was doing chin-ups 3 months after surgery from a full thickness tear,

So which is it? Do you want to discuss other people who have had this surgery, because I can definitely go there?

Pacquaio:
Claims to have a full thickness rotator cuff tear.

Has surgery on May 6th, 2015.

Surgery performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache

Full recovery stated to be 9-12 months.

A video surfaces dated August 10th, 2015 of Manny playing basketball. The caption says "MANNY's ARM is FULLY RECOVERED." The video is uploaded on facebook by "Manny Pacquaio Movie," which is clearly affiliated with Manny Pacquaio himself.

Kobe Bryant:
Has surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear on January 28th.

Surgery performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache.

Full recovery stated to be 9-12 months.

"On August 22nd, Bryant posted a photo to his Instagram account with the caption, 'First day back on the court shooting!'"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...oulder-surgery

First day back on the court shooting for Kobe?: about 7 months

Pacquiao on the court shooting: 3 months

Andre Berto:
"Andre Berto, for example, went through seven months of tough rehab before being cleared to engage in light sparring after suffering an injury similar to Pacquiao’s in August of 2013. Berto, by the way, was treated by the same doctor who had attended to Pacquiao’s injury, Dr. Neal ElAttrache."
http://boxingbuzz.sportsblog.com/pos...-recovery.html

Berto Rehabilitation time: 7 months

Pacquaio rehabilitation time: ??? (self-rehab...3 months the most)

The timelines aren't conflicting, so no one has to be lying. In the article with Pacquiao talking about "God's healing", it's mentioned that he was following prescribed exercises and sending videos to his doctor of his self-"rehab"

Arum watches video and sends a doctor over

Then the Roach interview some time later


So he had rehab(albeit self-rehab), and was having his progress watched over through-out.


How about a quote from Pacquiao's actual doctor.
https://ryortho.com/breaking/neal-el...n-in-6-months/

Strengthening in 3 months. Boxing in 6 months. Back at top level at 9-12 months.

So much for strengthening, huh? All healed up by 3 months. And don't get it twisted. His team was in full damage control mode after this **** up. That much is clear!

Manny's direct quotation: “No problem,” he said while displaying a full range of motion and extension of his allegedly injured right shoulder. “I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”

Arum's initial response: Shaking his head, Arum added: "You know, he's not acting very professionally, in my opinion. You got an operation like that, you got to do rehab, you got to get the doctor to look at it and guide you on the kind of rehab that you can do," he also said.

Dr. ElAttrache's response (according to Arum?): “He seems like he's fine…physically,” Arum told the Telegraph UK. "The doctor here was amazed when he saw pictures of his movement and everything…The doctor says he's got to see it himself.”

So the doctor seems amazed, doesn't he? Arum can't even spin this ****! I would say both he and the doctor know what's up, but Arum is left with this stinking pile of **** in his hands and he has to do the best he can.

Do you have a quote of Pacquiao saying he was 100% just after 3 months? Or even better a video to supersede a video of him saying he wasn't, 5 months in?

Manny Paquiao Movie caption: "MANNY's ARM is FULLY RECOVERED."

The Philippine Star: "Manny Pacquiao, the only fighter in history to win eight world titles in different divisions, raised his right arm upward and showed no discomfort in appearing to have fully recovered from a torn rotator cuff suffered during his fight against Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas last May."

Pacquaio himself: “No problem,” said Pacquiao displaying full vertical extension on his arm during a break at the 2019 FIBA World Cup bidding event in Tokyo last Friday. “I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”

And video evidence shows him playing basketball. LAUNCHING 3 after 3!!!!! lol. Do I really need to post this video????

"My shoulder is 80-90% healed"
https://********/rtIir0CHY4s

Ataboy, puppeteer Arum. Work that puppet.

Oh and btw, I'm still waiting on that fact that it can takes 6 months to remove a sling after a full thickness tear.

Don't try to twist my words. I said it is an estimate that the shoulder should be in a sling for 4-6 months. Would the words of a doctor suffice?
"Dr. Reyes said...“One opinion is to immobilize the shoulder from four to six months,” he said. “That entails complete rest and keeping the arm in a sling or an immobilizer. You can’t do therapy during this period of immobilization. At the end of four or six months, then you can begin therapy but not training for boxing. Therapy will involve getting stretched, straightening the muscles that would’ve atrophied during the immobilization period. You don’t want to risk a retear so you must do this a little at a time. After three or four months, you start intensive training after regaining flexibility on your shoulder. This period will extend to another three months. So it’s very possible that Manny won’t be able to start boxing until after a year.”"
http://www.philstar.com/sports/2015/...acquiao-retear

Also, the quote or better yet the video of Pacquiao saying he was 100% 3 months out, since I've already shared a video of Pacquiao saying he wasn't 100%, 5 months out.

You aren't fooling anyone, and neither is team Pac with the damage control. I already addressed this. Try harder.

You're the only one spinning here. Here are the turbulent waters that Pacquiao was facing in the sea.

hahaha. Really, little guy? He's doing "therapy" by swimming in the sea after a torn rotator cuff? It's not so calm that he doesn't have a life jacket on, is it? When they say you can swim to do rehab, they don't mean in the sea you ****ing dolt. And good luck showing how rough the water may have been in a still picture, idiot. I'm sure the water was quite calm day after day after day, since that's all he did for rehab was swim in the sea for an extended period of time.

Now did I address all of the idiotic ways you tried to claw back after that initial feeling of embarrassment that you couldn't overcome?

Go crawl back into your grave, clown boy. You have embarrassed yourself yet again.

[Zaroku]

No problem. It's clear you feel some kind of way about how these talks have gone. Left a bad taste in your mouth and you feel like less of a man for getting beat up on. Can't let it go. I understand, so I will waste my time responding to you yet again.

Before I begin, is it my imagination or did you edit something out about someone doing pull ups after this type of surgery? I thought I read that somewhere in your post, but I don't see it now. Just wondering...?

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Nevermind. I see it there. Will reply in a sec.

He gets *****y and loves PAC not boxing. Gave me loving Red K! Pure Pact@rd!

[SplitSecond]

First of all, you are scrambling and falling all over yourself to try to claw your way out of this hole you put yourself in. Case in point, when I mentioned that Manny was playing basketball after 3 months, yet it took Kobe 9 months after the same surgery before he could play basketball. Look at your response:



Then, you say this:



So which is it? Do you want to discuss other people who have had this surgery, because I can definitely go there?

Are you actually this dumb? Obviously to show you that individuals differ. Man nothing gets through that head of yours. How old are you btw? This could answer alot.

[travestyny]

He gets *****y and loves PAC not boxing. Gave me loving Red K! Pure Pact@rd!

He gave me Red K as well, as if I care about such a thing.

I do give Green K, just to let posters know I agree with them. I've never given Red K. The Karma system here is irrelevant to me. I wouldn't care if it were a simple thumbs up or thumbs down.

[travestyny]

Are you actually this dumb? Obviously to show you that individuals differ. Man nothing gets through that head of yours. How old are you btw? This could answer alot.

Really? Can you comprehend what you did above and then get back to me?

You wrote that every person is different....


then you tried to justify Pacquaio's recovery.... by talking about another person.



So who is the idiot?

[Zaroku]

He gave me Red K as well, as if I care about such a thing.

I do give Green K, just to let posters know I agree with them. I've never given Red K. The Karma system here is irrelevant to me. I wouldn't care if it were a simple thumbs up or thumbs down.

He is a sword swallower!! I have never given red... Never will. These points and **** don't matter...

[Zaroku]

Are you actually this dumb? Obviously to show you that individuals differ. Man nothing gets through that head of yours. How old are you btw? This could answer alot.

Where in the Philippines are you from???