Carl "The Jackal" Frampton vs. "El Terremoto" Leo Santa Cruz & Undercards RbR

[Anton Chigurh]

Eleven Images here : I left out the jabs because Santa Cruz had outlanded Fraudton 2-1 so I decided to really see if he outlanded him in power punches and NO thats false.

Good s**t, .

[Anton Chigurh]

I've been tough on the Mexican-Lesbian looking Leo Santa Cruz, but he earned my respect after the Frampton fight. I feel bad for him for trusting that ****** animal Al Haymon.

[Noah Elly]

i will win the fight...................

[StefanTosic]

I was rooting for Frampton but I thought he would be too small and get overwhelmed and beaten by LSC by the end in this match up. I have Frampton winning it. He outworked him. He got caught a couple of times but he boxed beautifully.

[North Star]

Overall card looks to have hit about 480k viewers on Saturday night. Kind of weird though, the main event looks to be about 299k.

[1hourRun]

Good s**t, .

Second thread I posted the evidence nobody replied -- it only takes 3 minutes of less to review the gifs. Santa Cruz beat him in Jabs and Power punches...you are right the commentating influenced a lot of these brainwashed sheep...that mark Maoro was expressing contempt that Santa Cruz was getting some credit by Bernstein and Paulie ; all you heard was Frampton! Frampton! oh Wow! Frampton! they should fire him and old man Bernstein they suck.

[sunny31]

Second thread I posted the evidence nobody replied -- it only takes 3 minutes of less to review the gifs. Santa Cruz beat him in Jabs and Power punches...you are right the commentating influenced a lot of these brainwashed sheep...that mark Maoro was expressing contempt that Santa Cruz was getting some credit by Bernstein and Paulie ; all you heard was Frampton! Frampton! oh Wow! Frampton! they should fire him and old man Bernstein they suck.

No one replied because a few gifs don't really tell the story. Especially when I have the fight recorded in HD. The second reason why no one replied is because it was mostly debated over Sunday and now everyone is over it because it really wasn't that controversial a decision it was just a close fight where neither guy's stock dropped that much. I have watched the fight 3 times start to finish, and a few rounds at a time whilst I was eating something in my living room to pass the time, thought Frampton won 7-5, but I can see 6-6, and you can make a case for 7-5 for Santa Cruz too. I think you can honestly make a case for anything between 8-4 Frampton and 7-5 Santa Cruz.

One flaw I have seen with a lot people who score fights is not taking into consideration the impact of the punches, I am not saying this applies to you, but on TV its harder to tell, whereas in the arena you can really feel it, and hear the impact, and it makes a difference, and judges will definitely consider it. I know this because I have been to fights and then watched them at home after and it is different. Frampton was definitely the puncher in this fight, and when you consider the connects were pretty even in most rounds than it will definitely be the deciding factor in a lot of those rounds, there is a video on youtube with some footage from inside the arena, and you can really hear the impact of Frampton's punches landing. He was really accurate with the right hand (head and body), and the check left hook. Santa Cruz throws lots of straight punches, and some of these were snapping the head back of Frampton but otherwise his punches seemed to have a lot less mustard on them.

The other thing which was obvious in the fight is that Frampton chose to fight in some rounds, he wasn't forced to fight, he met Santa Cruz in the middle of the ring and he was never deterred by any of Santa Cruz's punches or combinations, I think Frampton lost most of those fighting rounds, but they were all competitive and important to setting a marker down. There were also rounds where Frampton soundly outboxed Santa Cruz and won them easily, for example rounds 3, 5, and 9. I think those types of rounds definitely effect a judges perception because he shut Santa Cruz down in those rounds and showed the judges another level.

I don't really wish to get in a debate about it, but I think the majority of people think Frampton won, because that is their opinion including the broadcast team on Showtime. The UK broadcast team on Boxnation for example had it a draw, but most of the British papers in the morning, and websites had Frampton winning so they weren't really influenced by anything, in fact I would say the most common score that I saw everywhere was 7-5 Frampton, these things are all subjective of course and I respect your opinion, but I think most people just don't want to get into a long drawn out debate not because they can't prove it, but because they don't care that much.

[sunny31]

Second thread I posted the evidence nobody replied -- it only takes 3 minutes of less to review the gifs. Santa Cruz beat him in Jabs and Power punches...you are right the commentating influenced a lot of these brainwashed sheep...that mark Maoro was expressing contempt that Santa Cruz was getting some credit by Bernstein and Paulie ; all you heard was Frampton! Frampton! oh Wow! Frampton! they should fire him and old man Bernstein they suck.

P.S. unless you have a really fast internet, most of those videos don't play all that well or not consistently anyway, so that could be another reason why no one really replied.

[1hourRun]

P.S. unless you have a really fast internet, most of those videos don't play all that well or not consistently anyway, so that could be another reason why no one really replied.

So you didnt review the clips from round one through eight in slow motion and your on dial-up - got it.

[Santa_]

Eleven Images here : I left out the jabs because Santa Cruz had outlanded Fraudton 2-1 so I decided to really see if he outlanded him in power punches and NO thats false.

Great gifs.

Leo's going for the kill in the rematch. Can't trust the judges any more.