ESPN top 25 P4P last 25 years

[Citizen Koba]

its when a fighter you "like" hasnt accomplished much. Thats a convenient way to define p4p...but its not the right meaning

Everybody defines P4P their own way, that's why the whole concept is pretty much BS. For me it's who would do better h2h right now if they were the same size. The eye test if you like, though of course this should be informed by resume (with a weighting for recent activity) and dominance in winning. If you're talking about historical p4p then it's even more speculative in some ways, but also much more dependant on resume. For this reason also comparing active fighters, except those clearly near the end of their careers, with those of the past is even more pointless.

That's my take anyway. How would you go about defining P4P? Genuine interest btw - I'm interested in getting a consensus of how people judge these lists.

[Larry the boss]

Jones
Toney
Hopkins
Hamed
De La Hoya
Trinidad
ricardo Lopez
Johnny Tapia
Mark Too Sharp Johnson
Manny Pacquaio
Floyd Mayweather
Terry Norris
Wladmir Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Andre Ward
Joe Calzaghe
Shane Mosley
pernell whitaker
julio cesar chavez
azumah nelson
juan Manuel Marquez
Mike McCallum
Miguel Cotto
Michael Nunn
Michael Carbajal
Humberto "CHiquita" Gonzalez
Jose Luis Castillo
Diego Corrales
Rid**** Bowe
mike tyson
kostya tsyzu



thats a little over 30...sure i missed some guys who were top 40-50

here are 25 random names i picked


Whitaker
Mayweather
Terry Norris
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Rid**** Bowe
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
Vitali Klitchko
Wladamir Klitchko
Antonio Tarver
Roy jones
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Calzaghe
Vernon Forrest
Winky Wright
Fernando Vargas
Tito Trinidad
Julio Ceasar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley
Migel Cotto

[Pigeons]

Top 3 signature wins: Grzegorz Proksa, TKO5, 2012; Curtis Stevens, TKO8, 2013; David Lemieux, TKO8, 2015

I don't like when these websites do lists like this in portions, just do the whole thing at once!

His top 3 wins are Geale, Murray, and Lemieux IMO.

[bojangles1987]

I can't imagine Raphael is the person behind the inclusion of Golovkin. I suspect more casual fans on the panel decided to do that.

The tide is turning against GGG and it's his team's fault, although I think Abel is primarily to blame. It's bad enough his opposition is bad but I think many would be more understanding if Abel wasn't running around pretending Golovkin has the fanbase of a prime Oscar and a Hearns-like resume.

Dan Raphael has been all over Golovkin's d*ck for years now. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants Golovkin on this list.

[Caught Square]

His top 3 wins are Geale, Murray, and Lemieux IMO.

Yeah I couldn't believe they left out Murray.

[therealpugilist]

Everybody defines P4P their own way, that's why the whole concept is pretty much BS. For me it's who would do better h2h right now if they were the same size. The eye test if you like, though of course this should be informed by resume (with a weighting for recent activity) and dominance in winning. If you're talking about historical p4p then it's even more speculative in some ways, but also much more dependant on resume. For this reason also comparing active fighters, except those clearly near the end of their careers, with those of the past is even more pointless.

That's my take anyway. How would you go about defining P4P? Genuine interest btw - I'm interested in getting a consensus of how people judge these lists.

1) who is best suited to deal with any style and success going up in weight gets you credit...pound for pound....most people have Robinson best all time...he is in the convo...based on my criteria I have Sam Langforde. This guy beat hall of famers from 135(joe gans) to heavyweight(harry wills, joe jeanette etc)

we'll probably never see a fighter 5'7" who started at 135 be a world class heavuweight

2)Resume is weighed and ability or difficulty with certain styles....Accomplishments, titles, defenses, HOFer defeated and champions/titlists defeated
3)if they were the same size who would beat who i.e. Ricardo Lopez vs Canelo...Id have Ricardo over him because he went undefeated, fought a lot of styles, had many title defenses, and beat many titleholders and people who would become champion. Skill-wise he is more versatile than Canelo

[Xi_]

Yeah I couldn't believe they left out Murray.

murray ain't no better or worst than those wins.

[therealpugilist]

here are 25 random names i picked


Whitaker
Mayweather
Terry Norris
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Rid**** Bowe
James Toney
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
Vitali Klitchko
Wladamir Klitchko
Antonio Tarver
Roy jones
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Calzaghe
Vernon Forrest
Winky Wright
Fernando Vargas
Tito Trinidad
Julio Ceasar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley
Migel Cotto

I was on the fence about Forrest, Wright, Vitali, Vargas, and Tarver.....people were saying boxing was dead after the 80s and the past era was just as deep if not more...all that nostalgia bs

[revs1227]

how is the most dominant heavyweight champion of the last 25 years not top 10....if he was american he'd be top 5.....crap list and im american

agreed ...when i said low i meant ranked low

should def be top 10

[Caught Square]

murray ain't no better or worst than those wins.

Stevens is a limited fighter with power and Proska did nothing noteworthy before or after Golovkin.

Murray is far from amazing but at least he held his own against top middleweights.