ESPN top 25 P4P last 25 years

[Golden Boi 360]

Dan Rafael: Yes there are a few major surprises that I won't give away but let's just say I am extremely disappointed with how some of the top 5 turned out and dramatically disagree.

[El Gitano]

Here is Dan's ranking

My #P4Prank vote (25-6): 6-Finito,7-JCC,8-Marquez,9-DLH,10-Winky 11-Mosley,12-Tito,13-Barrera,14-Toney,15-Ward,16-Too Sharp,17-Lennox (more)

— Dan Rafael (@danrafaelespn) April 1, 2016

My #P4Prank vote (25-6): 18-Holyfield, 19-Cotto, 20-Naz, 21-Chocalatito, 22-Sergio Martinez, 23-Norris, 24-Calzaghe, 25-GGG #boxing

— Dan Rafael (@danrafaelespn) April 1, 2016

So, he has Morales top 5? Or did he overlook him?

[bigdunny1]

bob arum promoted oscar the same way he is doing with canelo

I followed Oscar's entire career. I became a hard core fan at the end of JCC and whitaker's era and the beginning of oscar n jones' era.

when Oscar was on the way up in the 90s he fought a lot of guys he had a huge size advantage on

when he got to 147 he was actually fighting people his size....a fighter his size under 140 is insane size


I respect him a lot...he never shied away from fighting the best but early on, he fought a lot of name fighters who were past prime or undersized

When he Whitaker and after he was fighting guys more his size and he wasnt dominating as much


also a lot of the guys ranked behind him actually won their biggest fights....Oscar is great great fighter man...but he isnt over Finito and Holyfield

do you see anyone winning the legit cruiser and heavy title anytime soon....im just saying

The problem is Oscar fought way more top fighters and tougher fighters then other guys in his era. And again saying he didn't win his biggest fights is revisionist history. Again you can't tell me losing to Mosley is a big fight but beating Whitaker, Chavez, Quartey Vargas weren't. If we just go off PPVs to look and see what his biggest fights were you see Whitaker and Vargas both doing way more PPVs then Mosley. Hell Vargas fight almost doubled the first Mosley fight. And Quartey was basically the exact same amount of PPVs. People forget but Quartey was on everyone's P4P lists and it was a matchup of 2 undefeated world champs who were both top 10 p4p ranked at the time. Whitaker was NUMBER 1 P4P fighter in the world and Oscar was everyone's number 2 the promo for the fight was to crown the number 1 P4P fighter in the world. Chavez was world champ and still one of the top ranked p4p fighters in the world and favored to beat Oscar who critics said was too young and being rushed to early into a fight with Chavez.

Look a fighter like kostya tszyu who made the hall of fame off the back of wins over Chavez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Jesse James Leija. His signature win is Chavez who OSCAR beat half a decade earlier. And Oscar also beat Gonzalez and Leijua years earlier. Cant tell me beating a older non world title holder and no longer top ranked fighter in Chavez is better then Oscar doing it. And tell me Gonzalez and Leija are big wins for Tsyu and these guys while really good fighters and world champs don't even make the B side of Oscar's greatest wins. Oscar is discredited because he has some loses but ONLY because he fought a insane amount of world champs, top p4p fighters and hall of famers basically 3X the amount of other comparable fighters of his era.

[MrRolltide91]

Dan Rafael: Yes there are a few major surprises that I won't give away but let's just say I am extremely disappointed with how some of the top 5 turned out and dramatically disagree.

I'm assuming the top 5 is floyd, manny, hopkins, roy, and chavez sr.(no order)


What's bad about that?

[Golden Boi 360]

I'm assuming the top 5 is floyd, manny, hopkins, roy, and chavez sr.(no order)


What's bad about that?

Perhaps one of those guys gets left off and Tyson places in the top 5? That's the only surprise I can think of.

[lopetego]

Ward was a top 10 P4P fighter from 2010 to 2014 and now again in 2016. That's 5 years as a P4P fighter.

You feel that Ward does not belong there. Okay that's your opinion. But the question is, do you feel that Golovkin belongs there?

Now again in 2016? why? for beating HOFer Sullivan Barrera?

He hasn't done anything noteworthy since the super 6, years ago.

Why is he getting so much credit for stuff he did eons ago as if he did it yesterday?


That's disgusting bias towards coddled murican fighters and nothing more, some clowns even label him as P4P#1

You're only as good as your last fights, if people go down in the P4P for losing, they should go down for fighting nothing but tomato cans in years, as in Ward's case, and dont even bring the weight drained corpse of Chad Dawson

I dont think GGG deserves to be on the list yet, but neither does Ward

[bigdunny1]

When people say well Oscar didn't dominate in his wins as much later in his career duh it's because he was fighting guys that other fighters ducked completely or waited till they got old before they fought them. Example I love Trinidad but why didn't he fight Whitaker years earlier? He literally owned the most worthless belt at 147 and lived in Whitaker shadow for damn near a full decade. Whitaker was the true champ at 147 and number 1 P4P fighter in the world from and Tito wanted nothing to do with him or Quartey for that matter the other belt holder at that time and only fought whitaker years after Oscar beat him and AFTER a long layoff where he suffered drug problems and was suspended from the sport. Oscar fought Whitaker his first fight at 147 went right for the king then went after Quartey then Trinidad fought all three in a 2 year span. You don't think Oscar could of just strung together a whole lot of dominate wins against weaker B and C class fighters at 147 like Trinidad did from 94-99? Guys like Freddie Pendleton, Rodney Moore, Troy Waters, Mahenge Zulu. During that EXACT stretch Oscar beat Whitaker, Chavez TWICE, Quartey, Hernandez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez beating the world recognized best fighter in the world at 130, 135, 140, 147 respectfully.

You fight lesser competition of course you will have more dominate wins. It's hard to beat prime and top ranked fighters and make it look easy. I'll take a less impressive win over the best then dominant easy wins over B and C class fighters and ducking those top fighters like many fighters in his era did.

[bigdunny1]

I'm assuming the top 5 is floyd, manny, hopkins, roy, and chavez sr.(no order)


What's bad about that?

If that ends up being the top 5 I got no problem with that. still don't see how you have GGG on this list when you list his biggest wins and accomplishes to the rest of the guys it's rather pathetic. And him pushing a guy like Sergio Martinez off the list completely is a joke. How can Daniel Geale be the highlight win of your career and you be one of the top fighters of the last 25 years?

[therealpugilist]

The problem is Oscar fought way more top fighters and tougher fighters then other guys in his era. And again saying he didn't win his biggest fights is revisionist history. Again you can't tell me losing to Mosley is a big fight but beating Whitaker, Chavez, Quartey Vargas weren't. If we just go off PPVs to look and see what his biggest fights were you see Whitaker and Vargas both doing way more PPVs then Mosley. Hell Vargas fight almost doubled the first Mosley fight. And Quartey was basically the exact same amount of PPVs. People forget but Quartey was on everyone's P4P lists and it was a matchup of 2 undefeated world champs who were both top 10 p4p ranked at the time. Whitaker was NUMBER 1 P4P fighter in the world and Oscar was everyone's number 2 the promo for the fight was to crown the number 1 P4P fighter in the world. Chavez was world champ and still one of the top ranked p4p fighters in the world and favored to beat Oscar who critics said was too young and being rushed to early into a fight with Chavez.

Look a fighter like kostya tszyu who made the hall of fame off the back of wins over Chavez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Jesse James Leija. His signature win is Chavez who OSCAR beat half a decade earlier. And Oscar also beat Gonzalez and Leijua years earlier. Cant tell me beating a older non world title holder and no longer top ranked fighter in Chavez is better then Oscar doing it. And tell me Gonzalez and Leija are big wins for Tsyu and these guys while really good fighters and world champs don't even make the B side of Oscar's greatest wins. Oscar is discredited because he has some loses but ONLY because he fought a insane amount of world champs, top p4p fighters and hall of famers basically 3X the amount of other comparable fighters of his era.

he isnt ranked ahead of behind kostya tszyu


its just my opinion...p4p holyfield, whitaker, and lopez were better fighters

taking nothing away from him...he struggled when he didnt have a huge size advantage and that has to be considered.

[MrRolltide91]

If that ends up being the top 5 I got no problem with that. still don't see how you have GGG on this list when you list his biggest wins and accomplishes to the rest of the guys it's rather pathetic. And him pushing a guy like Sergio Martinez off the list completely is a joke. How can Daniel Geale be the highlight win of your career and you be one of the top fighters of the last 25 years?

Bradley has a better resume than GGG