Comments Thread For: Lucas Browne Won't Pursue B-Sample, But Plans Investigation

[aboutfkntime]

Clen helps you breathe and focus much better instantly. It is also out of your system in 2 days max so if he was cycling it on and off and was looking for an instant advantage tests 6 days wouldn't show anything.

Real interesting, if true......

Test the "B" sample if you are willing to do whatever it takes to clear your name.

I would like to side with Browne, but there are many recent examples of he-said-she-said, where the truth never really came out..... especially when it potentially involves a small-medium sized conspiracy.

..... in light of your 1st comment, your 2nd comment could be gold.


Does anyone know more about clenbuterol ?

[aboutfkntime]

What a crock of s***, so he arrives in the country clean THEN allegedly takes a banned substance while in Russia. Not adding up here, and Oquendo happened to fail a test when he faced Chagaev also. This is f***** I hope they get to the bottom of this.

That is what they, along with every other athlete who has ever tested positive, have stated.....

It could be right.

Testing that B sample seems to be the way to go, but if they are alleging corruption then is the B sample really any more reliable?

[aboutfkntime]

I get that. But there are posts like this:


Russia Russian Russia those Russians... Except Chagaev is a Uzbekistani ****** and not a Russian...

As for Eastern Europe/Western Asia in general,

It could be that there are simply fewer oversight agencies in place and more corruption than the US (that's pretty hard to believe given that agencies like the USADA seem shady as hell too).

Or it could be Browne got busted. His excuse makes him seem more guilty than he did before. Everything I'm reading says clenbuterol has immediate stimulant effects. Using a clean test taken days before the fight as evidence that you didn't take a instant stimulant is kind of... Poor strategy...

Well, that is the other side of the coin..... interesting !

Can anyone tell me..... the other fighters who got pinged in Russia, what did they test positive for..... was it the same thing, clenbuterol?

[aboutfkntime]

From a bodybuilding/steroid cycle website:

"21. What’s the half-life of clenbuterol?

Clen normally has a half-life of between 24-36 hours, and can still be detected in the blood****** 48 hours after administering. Due to the relatively moderate half-life, this compound is very popular among athletes who need to pass drug tests."

It also has near-instant stimulant/oxygenation effects

But his excuse is that he tested clean days before when the drug has instant benefits and is out of your system a day or 2 later... Hmmmm I dunno guys... His defense makes very little sense...

If you're going public with your defense at least make the argument semi-compelling.

Fk, interesting.....

Those other fighters who got caught by RUSADA, I would love to know if they got pinged for clenbuterol as well.

This is the stuff that Morales got caught using, right? He said something about eating bad meat if I recall.

[Robbie Barrett]

Wasn't VADA the testing agency?

[-Kev-]

Chagaev isn't even Russian. He's a Uzbekistani ****** and probably about as loved by Russian nationalists as Lucas Browne is... Just for those of you saying Russian in Russia etc...

Wasn't he born in Uzbek SSR? 1978...Uzbek was part of SRR, 91 it became independent. That was basically Russia before 91. Their language was Russian and Uzbek, their last names are Soviet. Chagaev is literally a Russian surname.

[Lunchbucket]

From a bodybuilding/steroid cycle website:

"21. What’s the half-life of clenbuterol?

Clen normally has a half-life of between 24-36 hours, and can still be detected in the blood****** 48 hours after administering. Due to the relatively moderate half-life, this compound is very popular among athletes who need to pass drug tests."

It also has near-instant stimulant/oxygenation effects

But his excuse is that he tested clean days before when the drug has instant benefits and is out of your system a day or 2 later... Hmmmm I dunno guys... His defense makes very little sense...

If you're going public with your defense at least make the argument semi-compelling.

Why would you knowingly take a banned substance when you know that you are going to be drug tested after the fight being a world title bout? He would have been ****** to deliberately take clenbuterol during the fight or in the few days before and since he was clean when he arrived in Russia, I believe him.

[Eff Pandas]

Russia Russian Russia those Russians... Except Chagaev is a Uzbekistani ****** and not a Russian...

As for Eastern Europe/Western Asia in general,

It could be that there are simply fewer oversight agencies in place and more corruption than the US (that's pretty hard to believe given that agencies like the USADA seem shady as hell too).

Or it could be Browne got busted. His excuse makes him seem more guilty than he did before. Everything I'm reading says clenbuterol has immediate stimulant effects. Using a clean test taken days before the fight as evidence that you didn't take a instant stimulant is kind of... Poor strategy...

Didn't the fight take place in Russia? And Uzbekistan is closer to Russia than Australia. I'm sure Chageav gots some juice in Russia or the fight wouldn't have even been held there.

And maybe Browne did just get caught I didn't suggest that wasn't possible. There just seem to be more than 1 case of this sorta thing were a Russian or Russian states guy in this case (I don't give a f#ck about Russian politics so spare me all this he's not Russian stuff, its like saying a Mexican fighter couldn't get advantages in Texas) loses a fight & the other guy gets popped for PEDs. Maybe just a coincidence like I said, but it seems a lil odd.

And a question for anyone, is there any boxer whos Russian, Uzbekistaini or Kazakstani or whatever Russian state thats been busted for PEDs in Russia that I'm missing?

[Eff Pandas]

Why would you knowingly take a banned substance when you know that you are going to be drug tested after the fight being a world title bout? He would have been ****** to deliberately take clenbuterol during the fight or in the few days before and since he was clean when he arrived in Russia, I believe him.

There are numerous cases of guys who agreed to testing that tested positive for some substance & I don't recall one of them suggesting they deliberately took the substance. I'm not sure I've ever heard of any boxer caught for any PED at whatever level of testing saying "yea you got me...I was trying to cheat".

It does seem like Browne apparently has some argument of being clean arriving in Russia, but I don't think the logic of using PEDs would make sense to most civilians like you think it would. The mindset to decide to use PEDs isn't something I think many cats thinking about it in a more abstract way like we all do here can fully grasp. Or understand the confidence or ignorance they may have in masking or microdosing or other strategies with taking PEDs.

Thats not to suggest Browne is guilty or that his story doesn't have weight I just think this is a subject people don't go too far down the rabbit hole on.

[BennyST]

Chagaev isn't even Russian. He's a Uzbekistani ****** and probably about as loved by Russian nationalists as Lucas Browne is... Just for those of you saying Russian in Russia etc...

This is what I've read. That it's used the same way as adrenaline.

How much did you take? I assume a boxer would slip a tiny dosage just to get wired for the late rounds? Bodybuilding or recreational use (if there is such a thing) or even medical use for asmtha might be far higher dosages.

It's used in boxing and MMA for weight loss much more than cardio. Considering Browne didnt have to lose weight, and it's an easily detectable drug by testers today, it really does seem sus by the boxing 'officials' there.

You then look at the dodgy ringside action during the fight and you realise the more likely explanation.